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Human drivers do this sort of thing all the time In fact, literally today, I drove into the oncoming lane of traffic due to construction work. There wasn't sig

Human drivers do this sort of thing all the time In fact, literally today, I drove into the oncoming lane of traffic due to construction work. There wasn't signage or anything to do it, I just saw the car in front of me doing it and did it too. No idea if they did it for any sensible reason or not

tgaj 2y ago
Yeah, human drivers make mistakes all the time and we are fine with that. We allow teenagers and elderly people drive, so why we can't accept that AI-steered cars will sometimes cause an accident.
- Chyzwar 2y ago
  Because teenagers and elderly can go for a trial for vehicular manslaughter. If Waymo drive into opposite traffic and killed someone, who is responsible? CEO of Waymo that knew that this could happen? If this happens multiple times, what is the value of human life? Even if Waymo become a safer driver than human, we need to answer these questions in regulation and common law. For me, it is insane how many people need to die before anyone hold Tesla accountable for its autopilot [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashe...
  - FateOfNations 2y ago
    Criminal charges are appropriate in situations where a human (or group of humans) acts with malicious or reckless intent that harms (or could harm) the community. Self-driving vehicles reduce (but do not eliminate) opportunities for malicious or reckless acts related to vehicles. Criminal charges would remain appropriate in situations where an operator or manufacturer (and/or their employees) are malicious or reckless concerning a vehicle's design, manufacturing, or operation. It's important to note that just because someone was injured or died doesn't mean that there are malicious or reckless acts involved. This isn't a novel issue: the courts and legal system regularly deal with defective products, including vehicles, that cause injury or death. If a defective product causes damage, the injured party is typically compensated financially for their loss. They even have frameworks for determining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life in monetary terms.
LorenPechtel 2y ago
I'm trying to imagine an incident probably 30 years ago. Pouring rain, I can see that up ahead everyone is sharply veering right, but I can't see what is prompting that behavior. I know *something's* up, but not what. I get to the spot where everyone veers right--and see a double yellow. On my *right*. We were going straight, the road zigged (45 mph road, at the time they were only widening it from two lanes to 4 when the property was developed. While the road was "straight" it zigged back and forth because of the patchwork development), the rain was so hard we couldn't see the lane markings.

tgaj 2y ago

Yeah, human drivers make mistakes all the time and we are fine with that. We allow teenagers and elderly people drive, so why we can't accept that AI-steered cars will sometimes cause an accident.

Chyzwar 2y ago
Because teenagers and elderly can go for a trial for vehicular manslaughter. If Waymo drive into opposite traffic and killed someone, who is responsible? CEO of Waymo that knew that this could happen? If this happens multiple times, what is the value of human life? Even if Waymo become a safer driver than human, we need to answer these questions in regulation and common law. For me, it is insane how many people need to die before anyone hold Tesla accountable for its autopilot [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashe...
- FateOfNations 2y ago
  Criminal charges are appropriate in situations where a human (or group of humans) acts with malicious or reckless intent that harms (or could harm) the community. Self-driving vehicles reduce (but do not eliminate) opportunities for malicious or reckless acts related to vehicles. Criminal charges would remain appropriate in situations where an operator or manufacturer (and/or their employees) are malicious or reckless concerning a vehicle's design, manufacturing, or operation. It's important to note that just because someone was injured or died doesn't mean that there are malicious or reckless acts involved. This isn't a novel issue: the courts and legal system regularly deal with defective products, including vehicles, that cause injury or death. If a defective product causes damage, the injured party is typically compensated financially for their loss. They even have frameworks for determining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life in monetary terms.

LorenPechtel 2y ago

I'm trying to imagine an incident probably 30 years ago. Pouring rain, I can see that up ahead everyone is sharply veering right, but I can't see what is prompting that behavior. I know *something's* up, but not what. I get to the spot where everyone veers right--and see a double yellow. On my *right*. We were going straight, the road zigged (45 mph road, at the time they were only widening it from two lanes to 4 when the property was developed. While the road was "straight" it zigged back and forth because of the patchwork development), the rain was so hard we couldn't see the lane markings.