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It is a sad example the one they give, being Irish though makes me think a bit deeper. Citizens from EU not being the Netherlands or Ireland have to witness h

It is a sad example the one they give, being Irish though makes me think a bit deeper. Citizens from EU not being the Netherlands or Ireland have to witness how international big corporations pay taxes in countries different to the ones they are doing their business and big local companies moving their headquarters to neighbor countries. Which benefits their citizens.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
> how international big corporations pay taxe That's the neat part, they don't
- melenaboija 2y ago
  They pay some, and the little they pay don’t go to where they belong.
atmosx 2y ago
It’s way worse. Mediterranean countries have free education system that produce engineers, doctors, etc that they can’t keep, because they can go to the Netherlands or the UK for bigger career opportunities and salaries. At a personal level is “an amazing opportunity” at a country level it’s a vicious cycle that increases the gap, a real tragedy.
- chgs 2y ago
  Engineers and doctors in the U.K. go to US and Australia instead of staying in the shithole of the U.K.
  - f1shy 2y ago
    From UK go to USA, from south EU to UK, from south America to EU, from central America to south America, from Africa to central America. The whole circle.
    - asdff 2y ago
      Theres even a side pipeline out of the US where you don't have the grades or mcat for american medical school and go to an american expat tailored program in the carribean, faring mostly the same as you would have anyway after a period of time.
  - asdff 2y ago
    Then they end up in the hospital systems in the US that the domestic talent passes over, after having to repeat their residency requirements of course trying to keep up with the 80 hour work weeks in residency with fresh out of school mds who might have 10+ years of youth on them. Circle of life I guess.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  Wow. So, the system doesn’t work. It’s almost as if education isn’t the “cure” for the “social problems” of 2024 and beyond. Who knew?
- eastbound 2y ago
  Well if mediterranean countries were not so business-hostile, and by that I mean, not hate on a daily basis the guy who works the most, that would surely renew the love for the homeland. It’s ok to blame things on the taxes or free college, one also has to take a mirror and wonder “Can I change something in my attitude?”
  - atmosx 2y ago
    Here's to "business hostility": https://greekcitytimes.com/2024/06/20/greece-six-day-work-week https://greekcitytimes.com/2024/06/20/greece-six-day-work-we...
- nickpp 2y ago
  And Eastern European engineers and doctors go to Mediterranean countries for bigger opportunities and salaries. Looks like the biggest culprit is the “free education”, no?
  - atmosx 2y ago
    > And Eastern European engineers and doctors go to Mediterranean countries for bigger opportunities and salaries. No, that doesn't happen.
    - ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
      This is sarcasm, no?
      - atmosx 2y ago
        No. There is no one that will come to the Greek public sector simply because they can go to Central Europe. Their passport is just as good. Greek doctors do not leave Greece out of spite, the working conditions are terrible: low pay, very long hours, exhausting conditions.
        nickpp 2y ago
        Every time I took a vacation in Greece (and I took plenty in the last 20 years) and I had to visit the doctor (for the kids mostly) it was either Romanian or Bulgarian. Same in Italy and Spain. Also other people working in the turism industry: cooks, chambermaids, reception and so on and so forth. Pay is not the only criteria. Some select for the culture, lifestyle, similar language, etc.
        atmosx 2y ago
        All the doctors I know from ex-soviet countries are married or have family established in Greece and they are old. Many are of Greek heritage, but their culture is Russian, Ukranian, Bulgarian because they grew up there. Like, above 45. However, you're correct that salary might not be the only criteria. That said, the Greek healthcare systems is already too thin, in ten years there will be a huge crisis due to lack of personnel. Most islands go by without doctors. During the summer these islands get flooded with ppl.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

> how international big corporations pay taxe That's the neat part, they don't

melenaboija 2y ago
They pay some, and the little they pay don’t go to where they belong.

atmosx 2y ago

It’s way worse. Mediterranean countries have free education system that produce engineers, doctors, etc that they can’t keep, because they can go to the Netherlands or the UK for bigger career opportunities and salaries. At a personal level is “an amazing opportunity” at a country level it’s a vicious cycle that increases the gap, a real tragedy.

chgs 2y ago
Engineers and doctors in the U.K. go to US and Australia instead of staying in the shithole of the U.K.
- f1shy 2y ago
  From UK go to USA, from south EU to UK, from south America to EU, from central America to south America, from Africa to central America. The whole circle.
  - asdff 2y ago
    Theres even a side pipeline out of the US where you don't have the grades or mcat for american medical school and go to an american expat tailored program in the carribean, faring mostly the same as you would have anyway after a period of time.
- asdff 2y ago
  Then they end up in the hospital systems in the US that the domestic talent passes over, after having to repeat their residency requirements of course trying to keep up with the 80 hour work weeks in residency with fresh out of school mds who might have 10+ years of youth on them. Circle of life I guess.
dgfitz 2y ago
Wow. So, the system doesn’t work. It’s almost as if education isn’t the “cure” for the “social problems” of 2024 and beyond. Who knew?
eastbound 2y ago
Well if mediterranean countries were not so business-hostile, and by that I mean, not hate on a daily basis the guy who works the most, that would surely renew the love for the homeland. It’s ok to blame things on the taxes or free college, one also has to take a mirror and wonder “Can I change something in my attitude?”
- atmosx 2y ago
  Here's to "business hostility": https://greekcitytimes.com/2024/06/20/greece-six-day-work-week https://greekcitytimes.com/2024/06/20/greece-six-day-work-we...
nickpp 2y ago
And Eastern European engineers and doctors go to Mediterranean countries for bigger opportunities and salaries. Looks like the biggest culprit is the “free education”, no?
- atmosx 2y ago
  > And Eastern European engineers and doctors go to Mediterranean countries for bigger opportunities and salaries. No, that doesn't happen.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
    This is sarcasm, no?
    - atmosx 2y ago
      No. There is no one that will come to the Greek public sector simply because they can go to Central Europe. Their passport is just as good. Greek doctors do not leave Greece out of spite, the working conditions are terrible: low pay, very long hours, exhausting conditions.
      - nickpp 2y ago
        Every time I took a vacation in Greece (and I took plenty in the last 20 years) and I had to visit the doctor (for the kids mostly) it was either Romanian or Bulgarian. Same in Italy and Spain. Also other people working in the turism industry: cooks, chambermaids, reception and so on and so forth. Pay is not the only criteria. Some select for the culture, lifestyle, similar language, etc.
        atmosx 2y ago
        All the doctors I know from ex-soviet countries are married or have family established in Greece and they are old. Many are of Greek heritage, but their culture is Russian, Ukranian, Bulgarian because they grew up there. Like, above 45. However, you're correct that salary might not be the only criteria. That said, the Greek healthcare systems is already too thin, in ten years there will be a huge crisis due to lack of personnel. Most islands go by without doctors. During the summer these islands get flooded with ppl.