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> You can use an adapter to talk CCS. No, the adapters are dumb adapters that just connect the pins. The plug is separate from the protocol. An adapter that w

> You can use an adapter to talk CCS. No, the adapters are dumb adapters that just connect the pins. The plug is separate from the protocol. An adapter that would also do protocol conversion is bigger, clumsier, and more expensive.

Dylan16807 2y ago
Doing protocol conversion is a tiny little circuit board. It can be much smaller than a plug adapter, and cheaper. Doing both at once is more expensive than a dumb adapter but that difference doesn't even need to be $5, and it does not need to be bigger.
- peutetre 2y ago
  Here is a real world adapter that does protocol conversion of CCS to Tesla's protocol. It's big, clumsy, and finicky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEE2o6_FRxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEE2o6_FRxc Here is a real world example of a dumb adapter for J3400 to CCS Type 1 combo. It does no protocol conversion. It's smaller, simpler, and works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI Just accept the practical reality that Tesla's protocol is dead. CCS is the protocol going forward. CCS won.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    > It's big, clumsy, and finicky It's big because it's going from the bigger plug to the smaller plug. A dumb adapter would be the same size. And it's very much not an example of a pure protocol converter that isn't changing plugs. It's finicky because it's a prototype. > Just accept the practical reality that Tesla's protocol is dead. CCS is the protocol going forward. CCS won. What makes you think I don't accept this? What does this have to do with anything I've said?
    - peutetre 2y ago
      > It's big because it's going from the bigger plug to the smaller plug. A dumb adapter would be the same size. No. Here is Tesla's CCS to J3400 dumb adapter. It is smaller, simpler, and works: https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true > What makes you think I don't accept this? Everything you have said up to this point.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        > No. Here is Tesla's CCS to J3400 dumb adapter. It is smaller, simpler, and works: https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true There is no technical reason the adapter in the video wasn't this size (assuming it supports the same current). Adding a chip does not require it to be bigger than this. I don't know why that one was bigger, but it wasn't the active/passive distinction. > Everything you have said up to this point. How so? Do you think I'm arguing this because I'm a Tesla fanboy and want the win to go to them? I assure you that's not the case. I just think plug matters more than protocol as a general statement for EV charging. Please explain how CCS being a definitive winner affects a single thing I have said.
        peutetre 2y ago
        Here is Tesla's CHAdeMO to Tesla protocol adapter. It's big, clumsy, and they've stopped selling it: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/chademo-adapter-manual-in-english.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/chademo-adapter-ma... Here's a CCS to CHAdeMO adapter. It's big, clumsy, and expensive: https://evniculus.eu/products/adapter-ccs2-to-chademo-for-nissan-leaf https://evniculus.eu/products/adapter-ccs2-to-chademo-for-ni...

Dylan16807 2y ago

Doing protocol conversion is a tiny little circuit board. It can be much smaller than a plug adapter, and cheaper. Doing both at once is more expensive than a dumb adapter but that difference doesn't even need to be $5, and it does not need to be bigger.

peutetre 2y ago
Here is a real world adapter that does protocol conversion of CCS to Tesla's protocol. It's big, clumsy, and finicky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEE2o6_FRxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEE2o6_FRxc Here is a real world example of a dumb adapter for J3400 to CCS Type 1 combo. It does no protocol conversion. It's smaller, simpler, and works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI Just accept the practical reality that Tesla's protocol is dead. CCS is the protocol going forward. CCS won.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  > It's big, clumsy, and finicky It's big because it's going from the bigger plug to the smaller plug. A dumb adapter would be the same size. And it's very much not an example of a pure protocol converter that isn't changing plugs. It's finicky because it's a prototype. > Just accept the practical reality that Tesla's protocol is dead. CCS is the protocol going forward. CCS won. What makes you think I don't accept this? What does this have to do with anything I've said?
  - peutetre 2y ago
    > It's big because it's going from the bigger plug to the smaller plug. A dumb adapter would be the same size. No. Here is Tesla's CCS to J3400 dumb adapter. It is smaller, simpler, and works: https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true > What makes you think I don't accept this? Everything you have said up to this point.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      > No. Here is Tesla's CCS to J3400 dumb adapter. It is smaller, simpler, and works: https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true There is no technical reason the adapter in the video wasn't this size (assuming it supports the same current). Adding a chip does not require it to be bigger than this. I don't know why that one was bigger, but it wasn't the active/passive distinction. > Everything you have said up to this point. How so? Do you think I'm arguing this because I'm a Tesla fanboy and want the win to go to them? I assure you that's not the case. I just think plug matters more than protocol as a general statement for EV charging. Please explain how CCS being a definitive winner affects a single thing I have said.
      - peutetre 2y ago
        Here is Tesla's CHAdeMO to Tesla protocol adapter. It's big, clumsy, and they've stopped selling it: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/chademo-adapter-manual-in-english.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/chademo-adapter-ma... Here's a CCS to CHAdeMO adapter. It's big, clumsy, and expensive: https://evniculus.eu/products/adapter-ccs2-to-chademo-for-nissan-leaf https://evniculus.eu/products/adapter-ccs2-to-chademo-for-ni...