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https://archive.ph/M1d0t https://archive.ph/M1d0t I'm surprised to see this and wonder how much of it is due to non-Tesla cars not yet having easy access to Su

https://archive.ph/M1d0t https://archive.ph/M1d0t I'm surprised to see this and wonder how much of it is due to non-Tesla cars not yet having easy access to Superchargers. My wife and I have a Model Y and charging hasn't been an issue. New Superchargers open all the time. All or almost all carmakers are switching to the NACS port/charging standard (the Tesla one, basically), and that should simplify matters substantially.

peutetre 2y ago
> All or almost all carmakers are switching to the NACS port/charging standard (the Tesla one, basically) No, Tesla's charging standard is dead. NACS is CCS with the J3400 plug. Here's a deployed example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI
- 39896880 2y ago
  What's the difference between "Tesla's charging standard" and NACS? The Tesla website calls their Supercharger NACS: https://www.tesla.com/NACS https://www.tesla.com/NACS
  - peutetre 2y ago
    The plug is just a plug. The more important part is the charging protocol and standard. That's CCS going forward. CCS now supports three plug types: Type 1 combo, Type 2 combo, and J3400. Older Teslas can't charge on these chargers because they don't have CCS support. Those cars will need to get a CCS retrofit. In general you shouldn't take anything Tesla says at face value. Lying is just too much a part of the company culture at Tesla. Tesla lies about things as dumb as quarter mile stunts. There was absolutely no need to lie about it, yet they just couldn't help themselves and they went ahead and lied about it anyway: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... Tesla never even ran the quarter mile. And the worst thing about it is the Cybertruck's lead engineer trying to rationalize the lie: https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 When your engineers lack commitment to basic honesty then you've got a sick company culture.
    - 39896880 2y ago
      >Older Teslas can't charge on these chargers because they don't have CCS support. Those cars will need to get a CCS retrofit When you said "these chargers," do you mean the V3 Superchargers with CCS+J3400? Or, do you mean NACS 3rd party charging stations?
      - peutetre 2y ago
        Tesla's chargers will still support the Tesla protocol as well as CCS. They do that right now to support older Teslas. Everything else charging on a Tesla charger will talk CCS, just like they've been doing in Europe for a long time. No other chargers will support Tesla's protocol. They'll all be CCS.
        39896880 2y ago
        If I understand correctly, this means that Tesla vehicles that do not have CCS retrofit will not work with J3400 NACS third party chargers. Is that correct?
        peutetre 2y ago
        Yes, the car must talk CCS to work. For example, Teslas in Europe since the Model 3 have had CCS support. The older European Model Ss and Model Xs needed to get CCS retrofits. The newer North American Teslas have CCS support. The older ones need the retrofit.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      > The plug is just a plug. The more important part is the charging protocol and standard. Why? I would say the plug matters more than everything else combined. The bits on the wire do basically the same thing across standards and translation isn't very onerous. The plugs vary significantly in what amps and volts they support, and because of heating it's hard to even have an adapter if you want max charging speed. Yes older Teslas will need a retrofit. That's not too difficult.
- Molitor5901 2y ago
  That's just not true.. https://www.cnet.com/home/electric-vehicles/tesla-charging-standard-sweeps-across-evs-heres-when-the-switch-will-happen/ https://www.cnet.com/home/electric-vehicles/tesla-charging-s... Here is a list of vehicles that use the standard: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44388939/tesla-nacs-charging-network-compatibility/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44388939/tesla-nacs-charg...
  - peutetre 2y ago
    You've not at all understood what I've said. Watch the video I linked to and think about how it is that a Chevy Bolt can charge using a J3400 plug.
    - light_hue_1 2y ago
      You're totally wrong. This is the standard Tesla charger. It's always been compatible with a normal J1772. They even give you an adapter when you buy a Tesla.
      - amluto 2y ago
        You all seem to be taking past each other. The Tesla/NACS physical plug always has and presumably always will be able to use the J1772 _protocol_. But this is level 2. For level 3, the physical plug can support the old legacy Tesla protocol as well as the new CCS-over-NACS protocol. The adapter included with Teslas is not used for level 3 charging.
      - peutetre 2y ago
        You're confused. Watch the video I linked to. See the real world example. That will clarify it for you.
AtlasBarfed 2y ago
Lord Elon fired the supercharger team. That does not bode well. Lord Elon may change his mind, who knows.

peutetre 2y ago

> All or almost all carmakers are switching to the NACS port/charging standard (the Tesla one, basically) No, Tesla's charging standard is dead. NACS is CCS with the J3400 plug. Here's a deployed example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-0xRTduPI

39896880 2y ago
What's the difference between "Tesla's charging standard" and NACS? The Tesla website calls their Supercharger NACS: https://www.tesla.com/NACS https://www.tesla.com/NACS
- peutetre 2y ago
  The plug is just a plug. The more important part is the charging protocol and standard. That's CCS going forward. CCS now supports three plug types: Type 1 combo, Type 2 combo, and J3400. Older Teslas can't charge on these chargers because they don't have CCS support. Those cars will need to get a CCS retrofit. In general you shouldn't take anything Tesla says at face value. Lying is just too much a part of the company culture at Tesla. Tesla lies about things as dumb as quarter mile stunts. There was absolutely no need to lie about it, yet they just couldn't help themselves and they went ahead and lied about it anyway: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... Tesla never even ran the quarter mile. And the worst thing about it is the Cybertruck's lead engineer trying to rationalize the lie: https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 When your engineers lack commitment to basic honesty then you've got a sick company culture.
  - 39896880 2y ago
    >Older Teslas can't charge on these chargers because they don't have CCS support. Those cars will need to get a CCS retrofit When you said "these chargers," do you mean the V3 Superchargers with CCS+J3400? Or, do you mean NACS 3rd party charging stations?
    - peutetre 2y ago
      Tesla's chargers will still support the Tesla protocol as well as CCS. They do that right now to support older Teslas. Everything else charging on a Tesla charger will talk CCS, just like they've been doing in Europe for a long time. No other chargers will support Tesla's protocol. They'll all be CCS.
      - 39896880 2y ago
        If I understand correctly, this means that Tesla vehicles that do not have CCS retrofit will not work with J3400 NACS third party chargers. Is that correct?
        peutetre 2y ago
        Yes, the car must talk CCS to work. For example, Teslas in Europe since the Model 3 have had CCS support. The older European Model Ss and Model Xs needed to get CCS retrofits. The newer North American Teslas have CCS support. The older ones need the retrofit.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    > The plug is just a plug. The more important part is the charging protocol and standard. Why? I would say the plug matters more than everything else combined. The bits on the wire do basically the same thing across standards and translation isn't very onerous. The plugs vary significantly in what amps and volts they support, and because of heating it's hard to even have an adapter if you want max charging speed. Yes older Teslas will need a retrofit. That's not too difficult.
Molitor5901 2y ago
That's just not true.. https://www.cnet.com/home/electric-vehicles/tesla-charging-standard-sweeps-across-evs-heres-when-the-switch-will-happen/ https://www.cnet.com/home/electric-vehicles/tesla-charging-s... Here is a list of vehicles that use the standard: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44388939/tesla-nacs-charging-network-compatibility/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44388939/tesla-nacs-charg...
- peutetre 2y ago
  You've not at all understood what I've said. Watch the video I linked to and think about how it is that a Chevy Bolt can charge using a J3400 plug.
  - light_hue_1 2y ago
    You're totally wrong. This is the standard Tesla charger. It's always been compatible with a normal J1772. They even give you an adapter when you buy a Tesla.
    - amluto 2y ago
      You all seem to be taking past each other. The Tesla/NACS physical plug always has and presumably always will be able to use the J1772 _protocol_. But this is level 2. For level 3, the physical plug can support the old legacy Tesla protocol as well as the new CCS-over-NACS protocol. The adapter included with Teslas is not used for level 3 charging.
    - peutetre 2y ago
      You're confused. Watch the video I linked to. See the real world example. That will clarify it for you.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

Lord Elon fired the supercharger team. That does not bode well. Lord Elon may change his mind, who knows.