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>We see this in a very specific case, which is in the onset of heart problems. So basically its a more nuanced finding. The finding is not quite as strong. The

>We see this in a very specific case, which is in the onset of heart problems. So basically its a more nuanced finding. The finding is not quite as strong. The one divorce I can think of in my extended family came from the onset of heart problems. Properly speaking, it was the abortion she had that caused the divorce, not the fact that she would have died otherwise.

yieldcrv 2y ago
if only there was an additional option for the fetus, is anyone working on that? we could short circuit these association choices if the hosts could become unburdened while the fetus is able to live
- bdcrazy 2y ago
  The main concern I see with "technologic" wombs is who is then responsible for the upbringing and care of the fetus until it because viable to live on its own? If someone gives up a fetus but is still force to be financially responsible for it, more harmful and destructive forms abortion will be, by necessity, be used.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    Who is responsible for incubator babies until they are viable to leave the incubator? That's already a limited sort of artificial womb. The state picks up the bill I suppose, if everybody else decides to bail.
    - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
      The state. They will be raised in creche-barracks. But this is a stopgap until they can be grown as readymade adults, skipping the tedious and problematic child stage altogether.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    My use of “unburdened” includes financial in all variations, even sealing the ability of the subsequent child to find the parents. It’s pretty clear that it will be the state who assumes receivership of the fetus and subsequent human with full constitutional rights. It’s also a pretty easy legislative problem to say the state is transferring unwanted fetuses, despite the technology for its viability not currently existing. The outcome shifts the burden of guilt - or lack thereof - away from the parent(s), over to an immune state regardless of that state’s laws on abortion. And it shifts priorities and funding measures on creating the technology to ensure a fetus’ viability, whether that turns out to be a fool's errand or not. This will easily bridge consensus between “camps” as the discomfort over citizens killing fetus turns into a market choice instead of a legislative debate. What will the market primarily choose to end a pregnancy
dheera 2y ago
Hm. Male with heart problems here. I am in a happy relationship now but dating has been hard in the past due to not being able do do certain things normally expected of men.
- stavros 2y ago
  Like chop wood?
karmajunkie 2y ago
i think it was being married to an idiot that was the actual cause of the divorce.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  ~43% of first marriages fail, ~60% of second marriages, ~73% third marriages. Lots of people are emotionally unhealthy and barely equipped to adult, let alone have the grit, fortitude, and luck to make a partnership work for life. It is the hardest job you’ll ever have. The divorce rate is understandable considering the partnership expectations outcome mismatch in the aggregate. https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statist...
- lupusreal 2y ago
  Suppose he really wanted kids and learned she couldn't have any. It wouldn't exactly be "until death do we part", but I think much of western society has already abandoned that standard anyway
  - WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
    My goal was a lifelong marriage. My mentality constantly evolved toward that goal. However, my judgment was insufficient and I didn't properly recognize that sustaining the marriage was harming our kids. In an earlier time, the harm would have been much less. Kids (my generation & earlier) once had direct, relationship-level access to a number of caring, invested adults - related and not. My kids had the two of us 24/7 and that's about it. My wife and I had 10x the parenting demands (time) put upon us that my parents, grandparents-> adults through human history had.

yieldcrv 2y ago

if only there was an additional option for the fetus, is anyone working on that? we could short circuit these association choices if the hosts could become unburdened while the fetus is able to live

bdcrazy 2y ago
The main concern I see with "technologic" wombs is who is then responsible for the upbringing and care of the fetus until it because viable to live on its own? If someone gives up a fetus but is still force to be financially responsible for it, more harmful and destructive forms abortion will be, by necessity, be used.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  Who is responsible for incubator babies until they are viable to leave the incubator? That's already a limited sort of artificial womb. The state picks up the bill I suppose, if everybody else decides to bail.
  - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
    The state. They will be raised in creche-barracks. But this is a stopgap until they can be grown as readymade adults, skipping the tedious and problematic child stage altogether.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  My use of “unburdened” includes financial in all variations, even sealing the ability of the subsequent child to find the parents. It’s pretty clear that it will be the state who assumes receivership of the fetus and subsequent human with full constitutional rights. It’s also a pretty easy legislative problem to say the state is transferring unwanted fetuses, despite the technology for its viability not currently existing. The outcome shifts the burden of guilt - or lack thereof - away from the parent(s), over to an immune state regardless of that state’s laws on abortion. And it shifts priorities and funding measures on creating the technology to ensure a fetus’ viability, whether that turns out to be a fool's errand or not. This will easily bridge consensus between “camps” as the discomfort over citizens killing fetus turns into a market choice instead of a legislative debate. What will the market primarily choose to end a pregnancy

dheera 2y ago

Hm. Male with heart problems here. I am in a happy relationship now but dating has been hard in the past due to not being able do do certain things normally expected of men.

stavros 2y ago
Like chop wood?

karmajunkie 2y ago

i think it was being married to an idiot that was the actual cause of the divorce.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
~43% of first marriages fail, ~60% of second marriages, ~73% third marriages. Lots of people are emotionally unhealthy and barely equipped to adult, let alone have the grit, fortitude, and luck to make a partnership work for life. It is the hardest job you’ll ever have. The divorce rate is understandable considering the partnership expectations outcome mismatch in the aggregate. https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statist...
lupusreal 2y ago
Suppose he really wanted kids and learned she couldn't have any. It wouldn't exactly be "until death do we part", but I think much of western society has already abandoned that standard anyway
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  My goal was a lifelong marriage. My mentality constantly evolved toward that goal. However, my judgment was insufficient and I didn't properly recognize that sustaining the marriage was harming our kids. In an earlier time, the harm would have been much less. Kids (my generation & earlier) once had direct, relationship-level access to a number of caring, invested adults - related and not. My kids had the two of us 24/7 and that's about it. My wife and I had 10x the parenting demands (time) put upon us that my parents, grandparents-> adults through human history had.