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I'm not a fan of Svelte's cryptic syntax and constant changes. They started with something simple, which is why I decided to build upscayl.org's simple website

I'm not a fan of Svelte's cryptic syntax and constant changes. They started with something simple, which is why I decided to build upscayl.org's simple website with SvelteKit but now it's simply too much of a hassle when I compare it with Next.js. They changed their whole state management system. It's like using a totally new framework now and it looks very much like React which is strange because Svelte was supposed to not be like React and offer simplicity in code. I think the best contender right now Solid.js but it needs some financial help and the fanciness of Next.js to attract a larger developer base.

doctor_eval 2y ago
Are you talking about svelte 5? (Serious question)
- NayamAmarshe 2y ago
  Yes, the one with runes.
  - satvikpendem 2y ago
    Yep, Svelte 5 with Runes was so much like React that I literally asked how it was any different when their announcement first came out [0]. Evan You, the creator of Vue, also noted its similarities to Vue [1]. They kind of answered the question but when actually working with Svelte 5, it simply feels like a reskin of React. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37584877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37584877 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37592471 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37592471
  - doctor_eval 2y ago
    Yeah I was a huge fan of Svelte 4. I haven’t used react at all, but I took one look at svelte 5 and I just felt sad. I’ve gone back to Vue for now.
9dev 2y ago
I share your frustration around the constantly high amount of changes in fundamental concepts, but overall I still feel like SvelteKit gets lots of things right that Next doesn’t.
- NayamAmarshe 2y ago
  I think SolidStart framework brings Svelte's and React's strong points together very well. I'm really interested in how it grows, I can say that it has a brighter future than Next or Sveltekit.
  - threatofrain 2y ago
    Unfortunately Solid's velocity has been kinda weak for awhile and it's missing its own hype. At this point Svelte is many many times bigger than Solid.

doctor_eval 2y ago

Are you talking about svelte 5? (Serious question)

NayamAmarshe 2y ago
Yes, the one with runes.
- satvikpendem 2y ago
  Yep, Svelte 5 with Runes was so much like React that I literally asked how it was any different when their announcement first came out [0]. Evan You, the creator of Vue, also noted its similarities to Vue [1]. They kind of answered the question but when actually working with Svelte 5, it simply feels like a reskin of React. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37584877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37584877 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37592471 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37584224#37592471
- doctor_eval 2y ago
  Yeah I was a huge fan of Svelte 4. I haven’t used react at all, but I took one look at svelte 5 and I just felt sad. I’ve gone back to Vue for now.

9dev 2y ago

I share your frustration around the constantly high amount of changes in fundamental concepts, but overall I still feel like SvelteKit gets lots of things right that Next doesn’t.

NayamAmarshe 2y ago
I think SolidStart framework brings Svelte's and React's strong points together very well. I'm really interested in how it grows, I can say that it has a brighter future than Next or Sveltekit.
- threatofrain 2y ago
  Unfortunately Solid's velocity has been kinda weak for awhile and it's missing its own hype. At this point Svelte is many many times bigger than Solid.