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Scrollbars - Crazy right?

roryokane 14y ago
On Mac OS X Lion, in Safari, scroll bars are hidden by default. They are only shown when you start to scroll, using either the arrow keys or the two-finger-drag gesture. So if the page looks complete and you don't try to scroll because of that, you have no indication that there is more to the page. Edit: the scroll bar is also shown briefly when the page finishes loading.
- handelaar 14y ago
  Reasonable people would, in my humble opinion, consider that a failing of your insane OS, and not of the producer of the web page.
  - sbornia 14y ago
    It feels pretty natural though, when you get used to it. Doesn't bother at all. OSX's scrolling I mean.
    - StavrosK 14y ago
      Well, except when it does, it seems...
    - chii 14y ago
      having to "get used to" something means its not natural in the first place! Otherwise, you'd already be "used to it".
- Zr40 14y ago
  The scroll bar also briefly appears when switching tabs.
badusername 14y ago
You can't justify poor design by saying that he could have use scrollbars. It is clearly the designer's fault to not have thought of this.
- prodigal_erik 14y ago
  WorldWideWeb had scroll bars. Since day one of the web, browsers have been expected to gracefully handle documents with too much content to easily render on one screen. It's not reasonable for every author worldwide to have to simultaneously munge all their documents just because one browser maintainer woke up thinking it would look cooler for you not to know if there's more to read.
  - fnulp 14y ago
    Exactly. People are free to use stuff that gets broken for the sake of slickness, and people who want to get stuff done are free to ignore them. Not that the site isn't broken, too. I mean, how hard would it be to make it not fixed width, right? But why do that when you can just throw it together, "go viral", next.. I find it real hard to call it "design", or even craftmanship, or even a website :P But then again that applies to Twitter too, so it's all good. To each their own.

On Mac OS X Lion, in Safari, scroll bars are hidden by default. They are only shown when you start to scroll, using either the arrow keys or the two-finger-drag gesture. So if the page looks complete and you don't try to scroll because of that, you have no indication that there is more to the page. Edit: the scroll bar is also shown briefly when the page finishes loading.

handelaar 14y ago
Reasonable people would, in my humble opinion, consider that a failing of your insane OS, and not of the producer of the web page.
- sbornia 14y ago
  It feels pretty natural though, when you get used to it. Doesn't bother at all. OSX's scrolling I mean.
  - StavrosK 14y ago
    Well, except when it does, it seems...
  - chii 14y ago
    having to "get used to" something means its not natural in the first place! Otherwise, you'd already be "used to it".
Zr40 14y ago
The scroll bar also briefly appears when switching tabs.

badusername 14y ago

You can't justify poor design by saying that he could have use scrollbars. It is clearly the designer's fault to not have thought of this.

prodigal_erik 14y ago
WorldWideWeb had scroll bars. Since day one of the web, browsers have been expected to gracefully handle documents with too much content to easily render on one screen. It's not reasonable for every author worldwide to have to simultaneously munge all their documents just because one browser maintainer woke up thinking it would look cooler for you not to know if there's more to read.
- fnulp 14y ago
  Exactly. People are free to use stuff that gets broken for the sake of slickness, and people who want to get stuff done are free to ignore them. Not that the site isn't broken, too. I mean, how hard would it be to make it not fixed width, right? But why do that when you can just throw it together, "go viral", next.. I find it real hard to call it "design", or even craftmanship, or even a website :P But then again that applies to Twitter too, so it's all good. To each their own.