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You're really underselling it if anything. Over a million Americans have died so far in the opioid epidemic. That more than any of their wars, including their c

by janice1999 2y ago

You're really underselling it if anything. Over a million Americans have died so far in the opioid epidemic. That more than any of their wars, including their civil war.

mktemp-d 2y ago
A good book to read regarding this topic is "Death in Mud Lick" by Eric Eyre who was a reporter for a local newspaper in WV during the early discovery phase of the epidemic. The book details the methods used by the drug companies to pedal these drugs into small communities, the tragic victims, and lastly the refusal of drug suppliers to admit any wrong doing. There's also a slight dose (no pun intended) of WV AG's sheer incompetence on the matter due to donations and gifts by said drug suppliers. Super depressing book, but great read nonetheless.
- checkyoursudo 2y ago
  *peddle
  - disillusioned 2y ago
    Fun fact: early opioid deliveries were actually, in fact, almost exclusively done by bicycle!
    - janalsncm 2y ago
      If they used those penny farthing bicycles I’m sure they needed quite a few painkillers.
- mptest 2y ago
  Painkiller is a great little short series on them too. does a great job at portraying all of what you mention in a six hour tv format. it can get a little on the nose sometimes but the meat is 100% true
treflop 2y ago
Not to mention creating more homelessness, increasing crime and deteriorating our cities, strengthening Mexican drug cartels, providing business to suppliers in China. They have objectively made the world a worst place. I thought the lead guy was bad.
sneak 2y ago
7x as many people in the US die from cigarettes every hour, day, week, month, and year as from all opioids combined. Cigarettes don’t even require a prescription. If there is an opioid crisis, there is a 7x larger tobacco crisis, too.
- jhgvh 2y ago
  Tobacco companies have paid out countless nine figure sums, smoking in public has gone from universal to mostly illegal, cig taxes have skyrocketed, etc… Tobacco has been treated as a crisis, and I have no doubt that if cigarettes had been invented by one specific family, that family would be hated. Weird that you don’t know any of this.
  - brobdingnag_pp 2y ago
    What’s weird is that people still think tobacco smoking is about nicotine being addictive and dangerous, when it is literally everything else in the smoke that makes it extremely addictive and mortally dangerous.
    - jhgvh 2y ago
      Can you please tell me which of these mandatory warning messages you feel fails to convey that cigarette smoke, on the whole, is dangerous? https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/labeling-and-warning-statements-tobacco-products/cigarette-labeling-and-health-warning-requirements https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/labeling-and-warning-st...
    - boxed 2y ago
      The nicotine is what makes it addictive, but everything else makes it deadly. This distinction is well known here in Sweden where we have snus, and also lower rates of lung cancer and cigarette use than the rest of Europe by a LOT.
      - daemin 2y ago
        Though at the same time I would wager a larger rate of gum disease and mouth cancer than the rest of Europe by a lot.
NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
> Over a million Americans have died so far in the opioid epidemic. Which of those million died from Oxycontin overdoses, which of them died from hepatitis they caught when shooting up pills with a reused drug needle?
- juliusgeo 2y ago
  That’s a good question. You should do some research. Maybe you can ask the families of the victims?
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
    Don't have to. Virtually none. People die from the street heroin they bought as a substitute for the oxy they couldn't get once the DEA cracked down. You can see it on every fucking graph, the very week that the DEA did this, if the dates have enough resolution. This is why we don't ask "the families of the victims", because you're irrational with grief and can't process what the problem is.
    - dathayron 2y ago
      In America, if I shot you in the leg and you died years later from an infection incurred because of that bullet wound I can and likely would be charged with murder because of the long string of consequence caused by my action. So I can draw a pretty solid causal line from “my father died in a tent in the woods behind a gas station off of I-95 to the Oxy he was once on.” Maybe the pill itself didn’t directly kill him but it sure lead there. Perhaps I’m just too emotional here, having literally dealt with the above last month. Can’t think straight?
      - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
        > if I shot you in the leg and you died years later from an infection incurred because of that bullet wound I can and likely would be charged with murder because of the long string of consequence caused by my action. Which is a useful convention, because it deters the sort of violence as "shooting people in legs". The analogy doesn't hold. Drug warriors like yourself murdered the OD junkies. Your policy murders, and somehow you perceive yourself as the overburdened heroes. Prohibition is a bizarre policy, and we don't prosecute beer brewers for drunk driving deaths, no matter how addicted the alcoholic was. You're a bad person. You make the world more miserable than it has to be with nothing more than your evil opinions. And nothing I can say will ever convince you of the truth. > Perhaps I’m just too emotional here, having literally dealt with the above last month. You're not just emotional, but irrational. I and others like me could fix the things that make you hurt, but you want more of the same. It is not the sadist who screams "the beatings will continue", it is masochists like yourself who beg for it, telling all involved their morale really will improve.

You're really underselling it if anything. Over a million Americans have died so far in the opioid epidemic. That more than any of their wars, including their civil war.

mktemp-d 2y ago

A good book to read regarding this topic is "Death in Mud Lick" by Eric Eyre who was a reporter for a local newspaper in WV during the early discovery phase of the epidemic. The book details the methods used by the drug companies to pedal these drugs into small communities, the tragic victims, and lastly the refusal of drug suppliers to admit any wrong doing. There's also a slight dose (no pun intended) of WV AG's sheer incompetence on the matter due to donations and gifts by said drug suppliers. Super depressing book, but great read nonetheless.

checkyoursudo 2y ago
*peddle
- disillusioned 2y ago
  Fun fact: early opioid deliveries were actually, in fact, almost exclusively done by bicycle!
  - janalsncm 2y ago
    If they used those penny farthing bicycles I’m sure they needed quite a few painkillers.
mptest 2y ago
Painkiller is a great little short series on them too. does a great job at portraying all of what you mention in a six hour tv format. it can get a little on the nose sometimes but the meat is 100% true

treflop 2y ago

Not to mention creating more homelessness, increasing crime and deteriorating our cities, strengthening Mexican drug cartels, providing business to suppliers in China. They have objectively made the world a worst place. I thought the lead guy was bad.

sneak 2y ago

7x as many people in the US die from cigarettes every hour, day, week, month, and year as from all opioids combined. Cigarettes don’t even require a prescription. If there is an opioid crisis, there is a 7x larger tobacco crisis, too.

jhgvh 2y ago
Tobacco companies have paid out countless nine figure sums, smoking in public has gone from universal to mostly illegal, cig taxes have skyrocketed, etc… Tobacco has been treated as a crisis, and I have no doubt that if cigarettes had been invented by one specific family, that family would be hated. Weird that you don’t know any of this.
- brobdingnag_pp 2y ago
  What’s weird is that people still think tobacco smoking is about nicotine being addictive and dangerous, when it is literally everything else in the smoke that makes it extremely addictive and mortally dangerous.
  - jhgvh 2y ago
    Can you please tell me which of these mandatory warning messages you feel fails to convey that cigarette smoke, on the whole, is dangerous? https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/labeling-and-warning-statements-tobacco-products/cigarette-labeling-and-health-warning-requirements https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/labeling-and-warning-st...
  - boxed 2y ago
    The nicotine is what makes it addictive, but everything else makes it deadly. This distinction is well known here in Sweden where we have snus, and also lower rates of lung cancer and cigarette use than the rest of Europe by a LOT.
    - daemin 2y ago
      Though at the same time I would wager a larger rate of gum disease and mouth cancer than the rest of Europe by a lot.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

> Over a million Americans have died so far in the opioid epidemic. Which of those million died from Oxycontin overdoses, which of them died from hepatitis they caught when shooting up pills with a reused drug needle?

juliusgeo 2y ago
That’s a good question. You should do some research. Maybe you can ask the families of the victims?
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  Don't have to. Virtually none. People die from the street heroin they bought as a substitute for the oxy they couldn't get once the DEA cracked down. You can see it on every fucking graph, the very week that the DEA did this, if the dates have enough resolution. This is why we don't ask "the families of the victims", because you're irrational with grief and can't process what the problem is.
  - dathayron 2y ago
    In America, if I shot you in the leg and you died years later from an infection incurred because of that bullet wound I can and likely would be charged with murder because of the long string of consequence caused by my action. So I can draw a pretty solid causal line from “my father died in a tent in the woods behind a gas station off of I-95 to the Oxy he was once on.” Maybe the pill itself didn’t directly kill him but it sure lead there. Perhaps I’m just too emotional here, having literally dealt with the above last month. Can’t think straight?
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
      > if I shot you in the leg and you died years later from an infection incurred because of that bullet wound I can and likely would be charged with murder because of the long string of consequence caused by my action. Which is a useful convention, because it deters the sort of violence as "shooting people in legs". The analogy doesn't hold. Drug warriors like yourself murdered the OD junkies. Your policy murders, and somehow you perceive yourself as the overburdened heroes. Prohibition is a bizarre policy, and we don't prosecute beer brewers for drunk driving deaths, no matter how addicted the alcoholic was. You're a bad person. You make the world more miserable than it has to be with nothing more than your evil opinions. And nothing I can say will ever convince you of the truth. > Perhaps I’m just too emotional here, having literally dealt with the above last month. You're not just emotional, but irrational. I and others like me could fix the things that make you hurt, but you want more of the same. It is not the sadist who screams "the beatings will continue", it is masochists like yourself who beg for it, telling all involved their morale really will improve.