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No, bringing them in is policy, because they have a shrinking population from the low birth rate and anyone with an inch of ethics left 10 or 15 years ago (I wa

No, bringing them in is policy, because they have a shrinking population from the low birth rate and anyone with an inch of ethics left 10 or 15 years ago (I was the last in my school year to do so)

pjc50 2y ago
The refugees are not a "policy", they're a crisis which the government has completely failed to deal with. The Home Office is more and more aggressive every year against legal immigrants. People complain about illegal immigration but fail to actually do anything about it, more from incompetence than anything else.
- DarkmSparks 2y ago
  no, they pretend to be more agressive. France gives them nothing, which is why they are sat in shanty towns waiting for the boats to bring them accross the channel. They say they dont want them for the normal people, while doing everything they can to make them want to come. the entire system is corrupt and broken https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption bright side - people mostly now see it, and they will be eradicated from the UK political landscape in just a few days. It will unfortunately take at least a generation to rebuild though.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    France gives an allowance and health insurance! If you're seeking asylum there. https://domasile.info/en/what-social-rights-do-i-have-as-an-asylum-seeker-in-france/ https://domasile.info/en/what-social-rights-do-i-have-as-an-... I'm willing to bet that this is still the situation in a decade, because there really aren't any other approaches that aren't horrific. There's no sign that Labour understand this or have any plan for improving it.
    - graemep 2y ago
      So then why are they so keen to get to the UK from France? I suspect because it is easier to work illegally here as the authorities have no interest in preventing it - having lots of people working at below minimum wage keeps inflation down.
      - smcl 2y ago
        Well some are trying to reach the UK, not all. As to why that is, I don't think any of us on HN can confidently state the reason - none of us have surveyed them all and processed the answers. They may be living in poor conditions and (incorrectly) assume the UK is somehow a more welcoming, tolerant place. They may have family, friends or connections in the UK, or they may simply speak English and have some kind of cultural closeness with the country that they don't have with France. However you're showing a bit more about yourself than you might realise, by assuming that they're purely doing it to work illegally. It should go without saying that moving anywhere is stressful and not something you take lightly. Even if you're comfortable and well off it's not a walk in the park. Those who are crossing the English Channel in boats aren't doing so because they're after an easy life, and god knows they won't get one when they arrive. They've often endured hardships most of us can barely conceive of, and to do all that simply to live outside the system and work illegally? I find it hard to believe.
        DarkmSparks 2y ago
        meanwhile, in the real world https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/mi...
        smcl 2y ago
        Your point, caller?
        DarkmSparks 2y ago

No, bringing them in is policy, because they have a shrinking population from the low birth rate and anyone with an inch of ethics left 10 or 15 years ago (I was the last in my school year to do so)

pjc50 2y ago

The refugees are not a "policy", they're a crisis which the government has completely failed to deal with. The Home Office is more and more aggressive every year against legal immigrants. People complain about illegal immigration but fail to actually do anything about it, more from incompetence than anything else.

DarkmSparks 2y ago
no, they pretend to be more agressive. France gives them nothing, which is why they are sat in shanty towns waiting for the boats to bring them accross the channel. They say they dont want them for the normal people, while doing everything they can to make them want to come. the entire system is corrupt and broken https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption bright side - people mostly now see it, and they will be eradicated from the UK political landscape in just a few days. It will unfortunately take at least a generation to rebuild though.
- pjc50 2y ago
  France gives an allowance and health insurance! If you're seeking asylum there. https://domasile.info/en/what-social-rights-do-i-have-as-an-asylum-seeker-in-france/ https://domasile.info/en/what-social-rights-do-i-have-as-an-... I'm willing to bet that this is still the situation in a decade, because there really aren't any other approaches that aren't horrific. There's no sign that Labour understand this or have any plan for improving it.
  - graemep 2y ago
    So then why are they so keen to get to the UK from France? I suspect because it is easier to work illegally here as the authorities have no interest in preventing it - having lots of people working at below minimum wage keeps inflation down.
    - smcl 2y ago
      Well some are trying to reach the UK, not all. As to why that is, I don't think any of us on HN can confidently state the reason - none of us have surveyed them all and processed the answers. They may be living in poor conditions and (incorrectly) assume the UK is somehow a more welcoming, tolerant place. They may have family, friends or connections in the UK, or they may simply speak English and have some kind of cultural closeness with the country that they don't have with France. However you're showing a bit more about yourself than you might realise, by assuming that they're purely doing it to work illegally. It should go without saying that moving anywhere is stressful and not something you take lightly. Even if you're comfortable and well off it's not a walk in the park. Those who are crossing the English Channel in boats aren't doing so because they're after an easy life, and god knows they won't get one when they arrive. They've often endured hardships most of us can barely conceive of, and to do all that simply to live outside the system and work illegally? I find it hard to believe.
      - DarkmSparks 2y ago
        meanwhile, in the real world https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/mi...
        smcl 2y ago
        Your point, caller?
        DarkmSparks 2y ago