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Tip of the iceberg imho, I would say this is fairly standard practice in UK law now for everything from police notebooks to dna evidence. UK legal system stopp

Tip of the iceberg imho, I would say this is fairly standard practice in UK law now for everything from police notebooks to dna evidence. UK legal system stopped being about law and became all about trying to stem the collapse of trust in it a very long time ago. Now imho there is nothing to trust, every decision some corrupt kafka like show of idiocy. To see how corrupt they are you only need to look at Rishi soon sacked taking pride in a promise to leave the EHCR if they dont let him deprive a few people of basic human rights in order to demonstrate he is tough on immigration - all while his government gives every illegal immigrant free hotel accomodation and a huge weekly allowance higher to make them come in the first place. The only thing we are seeing here is yet another public glimpse into why no one I know still in the UK, rich or poor, has any faith in its institutions any more.

LocutusOfBorges 2y ago
> all while his government gives every illegal immigrant free hotel accomodation and a huge weekly allowance higher to make them come in the first place. People seeking asylum in the UK receive £49.18 per week[1], and get thrown into monstrously low quality accommodation - the current government essentially throws them into prison barges[2]. You really should read something other than tabloids. The reality of the situation is nothing like what you’ve described. [1] https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get [2] https://theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/14/people-on-bibby-stockholm-treated-like-cattle-former-workers-say https://theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/14/people-o...
- DarkmSparks 2y ago
  You seem to miss they are coming from countries where the average salary for a 70 hour working week is £50 a month while they lived in a corrugated steal house with no electricity, (mostly because the American proxies blew up their actual houses) meanwhile, after 6 months of failing to find a job english families are being thrown onto the streets by the 10s of thousands to live in sleeping bags and eat from food banks. 1 in 52 people in London is homeless - the belief is none of them are immigrants. In that world routinely keeping key evidence from the defence, and far worse, is 100% to be expected.
  - pas 2y ago
    do some cost of living adjustment with that 50 pounds. and don't forget that they are not allowed to work. thousands of English families are out of jobs because the UK left the EU, also because the underfunded NHS folks are not getting the care they need and thus many people end up with severe disabilities that would have been manageable. (or they are taking care of someone because there's no help from the system.)
    - DarkmSparks 2y ago
      20% of the UK workforce, nearly 9 million employees, were not born in the UK. leaving the EU has nothing to do with any of the UKs major problems, which are massive national debt, government corruption, complete lack of ethics or values left in any of its institutions, the systematic dismantling of the NHS and a legal system more interested in saving face and protecting wealthy criminal interests than actually practicing justice. Then wonder why everyone dislikes immigrants getting the lions share of social benefits and having 0% trust in any of the institutions.
      - pas 2y ago
        people disliking "immigrants getting too much benefits" - while important for politics - doesn't make it true. cost of brexit is about 2-3% of GDP roughly the same as spending on immigrants. (most of whom pay taxes.) also worth mentioning is that the aging UK population would be in an even worse state without those workers. leaving the EU is a perfect symptom of the other problems you listed. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/impact-brexit- https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/impact-brexit- uk-economy-reviewing-evidence https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/th...
pjc50 2y ago
> tough on immigration - all while his government gives every illegal immigrant free hotel accomodation and a huge weekly allowance higher to make them come in the first place. Ah, a tabloid caricature. The UK government would love to stop paying for asylum seekers (NB during this status they are not illegal immigrants), but cannot work out a way to do so that is actually legal under ECHR (and the various UN conventions on refugees). While their asylum case is pending, the government does not allow them to work, and they're not even allowed to seek private rented accomodation, so the government is obliged to look after them, which they do in the minimal possible way. Meanwhile their asylum cases drag on, which is good for nobody, but the Home Office is unable to process them at a reasonable speed. The inability to even secure a working deportation process results in hundreds of thousands of people - humans - being stuck in the system.
- DarkmSparks 2y ago
  No, bringing them in is policy, because they have a shrinking population from the low birth rate and anyone with an inch of ethics left 10 or 15 years ago (I was the last in my school year to do so)
  - pjc50 2y ago
    The refugees are not a "policy", they're a crisis which the government has completely failed to deal with. The Home Office is more and more aggressive every year against legal immigrants. People complain about illegal immigration but fail to actually do anything about it, more from incompetence than anything else.
    - DarkmSparks 2y ago
      no, they pretend to be more agressive. France gives them nothing, which is why they are sat in shanty towns waiting for the boats to bring them accross the channel. They say they dont want them for the normal people, while doing everything they can to make them want to come. the entire system is corrupt and broken https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption bright side - people mostly now see it, and they will be eradicated from the UK political landscape in just a few days. It will unfortunately take at least a generation to rebuild though.

LocutusOfBorges 2y ago

> all while his government gives every illegal immigrant free hotel accomodation and a huge weekly allowance higher to make them come in the first place. People seeking asylum in the UK receive £49.18 per week[1], and get thrown into monstrously low quality accommodation - the current government essentially throws them into prison barges[2]. You really should read something other than tabloids. The reality of the situation is nothing like what you’ve described. [1] https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get [2] https://theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/14/people-on-bibby-stockholm-treated-like-cattle-former-workers-say https://theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/14/people-o...

DarkmSparks 2y ago
You seem to miss they are coming from countries where the average salary for a 70 hour working week is £50 a month while they lived in a corrugated steal house with no electricity, (mostly because the American proxies blew up their actual houses) meanwhile, after 6 months of failing to find a job english families are being thrown onto the streets by the 10s of thousands to live in sleeping bags and eat from food banks. 1 in 52 people in London is homeless - the belief is none of them are immigrants. In that world routinely keeping key evidence from the defence, and far worse, is 100% to be expected.
- pas 2y ago
  do some cost of living adjustment with that 50 pounds. and don't forget that they are not allowed to work. thousands of English families are out of jobs because the UK left the EU, also because the underfunded NHS folks are not getting the care they need and thus many people end up with severe disabilities that would have been manageable. (or they are taking care of someone because there's no help from the system.)
  - DarkmSparks 2y ago
    20% of the UK workforce, nearly 9 million employees, were not born in the UK. leaving the EU has nothing to do with any of the UKs major problems, which are massive national debt, government corruption, complete lack of ethics or values left in any of its institutions, the systematic dismantling of the NHS and a legal system more interested in saving face and protecting wealthy criminal interests than actually practicing justice. Then wonder why everyone dislikes immigrants getting the lions share of social benefits and having 0% trust in any of the institutions.
    - pas 2y ago
      people disliking "immigrants getting too much benefits" - while important for politics - doesn't make it true. cost of brexit is about 2-3% of GDP roughly the same as spending on immigrants. (most of whom pay taxes.) also worth mentioning is that the aging UK population would be in an even worse state without those workers. leaving the EU is a perfect symptom of the other problems you listed. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/impact-brexit- https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/impact-brexit- uk-economy-reviewing-evidence https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/th...

pjc50 2y ago

> tough on immigration - all while his government gives every illegal immigrant free hotel accomodation and a huge weekly allowance higher to make them come in the first place. Ah, a tabloid caricature. The UK government would love to stop paying for asylum seekers (NB during this status they are not illegal immigrants), but cannot work out a way to do so that is actually legal under ECHR (and the various UN conventions on refugees). While their asylum case is pending, the government does not allow them to work, and they're not even allowed to seek private rented accomodation, so the government is obliged to look after them, which they do in the minimal possible way. Meanwhile their asylum cases drag on, which is good for nobody, but the Home Office is unable to process them at a reasonable speed. The inability to even secure a working deportation process results in hundreds of thousands of people - humans - being stuck in the system.

DarkmSparks 2y ago
No, bringing them in is policy, because they have a shrinking population from the low birth rate and anyone with an inch of ethics left 10 or 15 years ago (I was the last in my school year to do so)
- pjc50 2y ago
  The refugees are not a "policy", they're a crisis which the government has completely failed to deal with. The Home Office is more and more aggressive every year against legal immigrants. People complain about illegal immigration but fail to actually do anything about it, more from incompetence than anything else.
  - DarkmSparks 2y ago
    no, they pretend to be more agressive. France gives them nothing, which is why they are sat in shanty towns waiting for the boats to bring them accross the channel. They say they dont want them for the normal people, while doing everything they can to make them want to come. the entire system is corrupt and broken https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption bright side - people mostly now see it, and they will be eradicated from the UK political landscape in just a few days. It will unfortunately take at least a generation to rebuild though.