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> For example in Australia they are upgrading our fibre network to 1Gbps which is 10x the speed of Starlink. I don't know of anyone using Starlink in areas wit

> For example in Australia they are upgrading our fibre network to 1Gbps which is 10x the speed of Starlink. I don't know of anyone using Starlink in areas with fibre, only rural areas with no fibre.

threeseed 2y ago
In Australia for example rural areas are all being wired for fibre. And you only need to lay fibre once and you can benefit at least for the next century if not longer as we continue to invent new ways to multiplex data.
- kalleboo 2y ago
  Do you have any source on the plans for rural fibre? My parents just keep being told to be content with Sky Muster. Australia is huge, it's going to take multiple decades to build out to even a fraction of the communities.
  - TMWNN 2y ago
    >My parents just keep being told to be content with Sky Muster. Australia is huge, it's going to take multiple decades to build out to even a fraction of the communities. Starlink was designed for your parents, and everyone else in that situation.
    - kalleboo 2y ago
      Yep, my parents are on Starlink right now and are loving it. GP was saying that fiber is coming to all rural areas though, so I was wondering if there was any truth to it. Personally I think anywhere that has copper right now (and my parents do have an old crusty POTS line running to their home) should be built up to fiber - if we could do it before we should be able to do it again.
- robbiep 2y ago
  We have slightly different ideas of rural areas. My parents will never get fibre, nor their neighbours. Starlink is a game changer for them all
  - inhumantsar 2y ago
    My mother lives in a small town half an hour outside a major city and has starlink because all of the national telcos, regional fibre ISPs, or local WISPs didn't want to take on the capital expense. If it weren't for starlink they'd be using 4G hotspots for everything.
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    It's pathetic, so many areas got copper POTS but will never get fiber.
- KiwiJohnno 2y ago
  >In Australia for example rural areas are all being wired for fibre. What? Thats simply not true at all. I'm guessing you don't live in Australia, or you'd realize how much rural area there is, and how ridiculous that sounds. What is actually happening is some areas previously served by FTTN (fiber to the node) or FTTC (fiber to the curb) or other, older technologies such as coax are being upgraded to FTTP (fiber to the premise), but there are around 500,000 Australian homes and businesses served by fixed wireless (4g) and around 400,000 additional homes and businesses only served by satellite. I am willing to be corrected, but I have not heard of any plans for the NBN to upgrade anybody currently using a wireless/statellite connection to fiber.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    I live in Australia and worked for NBNCo. The intention has always been to upgrade everyone to fibre but there is obviously a question of budget and priorities. So in the interim they will continue to align the technologies on speed as best as they can. But you can skip the queue so to speak if you're willing to pay for it: https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/technology-choice-program https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/technology-choice-program

> For example in Australia they are upgrading our fibre network to 1Gbps which is 10x the speed of Starlink. I don't know of anyone using Starlink in areas with fibre, only rural areas with no fibre.

threeseed 2y ago

In Australia for example rural areas are all being wired for fibre. And you only need to lay fibre once and you can benefit at least for the next century if not longer as we continue to invent new ways to multiplex data.

kalleboo 2y ago
Do you have any source on the plans for rural fibre? My parents just keep being told to be content with Sky Muster. Australia is huge, it's going to take multiple decades to build out to even a fraction of the communities.
- TMWNN 2y ago
  >My parents just keep being told to be content with Sky Muster. Australia is huge, it's going to take multiple decades to build out to even a fraction of the communities. Starlink was designed for your parents, and everyone else in that situation.
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    Yep, my parents are on Starlink right now and are loving it. GP was saying that fiber is coming to all rural areas though, so I was wondering if there was any truth to it. Personally I think anywhere that has copper right now (and my parents do have an old crusty POTS line running to their home) should be built up to fiber - if we could do it before we should be able to do it again.
robbiep 2y ago
We have slightly different ideas of rural areas. My parents will never get fibre, nor their neighbours. Starlink is a game changer for them all
- inhumantsar 2y ago
  My mother lives in a small town half an hour outside a major city and has starlink because all of the national telcos, regional fibre ISPs, or local WISPs didn't want to take on the capital expense. If it weren't for starlink they'd be using 4G hotspots for everything.
- kalleboo 2y ago
  It's pathetic, so many areas got copper POTS but will never get fiber.
KiwiJohnno 2y ago
>In Australia for example rural areas are all being wired for fibre. What? Thats simply not true at all. I'm guessing you don't live in Australia, or you'd realize how much rural area there is, and how ridiculous that sounds. What is actually happening is some areas previously served by FTTN (fiber to the node) or FTTC (fiber to the curb) or other, older technologies such as coax are being upgraded to FTTP (fiber to the premise), but there are around 500,000 Australian homes and businesses served by fixed wireless (4g) and around 400,000 additional homes and businesses only served by satellite. I am willing to be corrected, but I have not heard of any plans for the NBN to upgrade anybody currently using a wireless/statellite connection to fiber.
- threeseed 2y ago
  I live in Australia and worked for NBNCo. The intention has always been to upgrade everyone to fibre but there is obviously a question of budget and priorities. So in the interim they will continue to align the technologies on speed as best as they can. But you can skip the queue so to speak if you're willing to pay for it: https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/technology-choice-program https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/technology-choice-program