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This is why you download the things you love. Hard drives are cheap.

by ThrowawayTestr 2y ago

anigbrowl 2y ago
I can't help thinking that zapping sites with no warning is intended to defeat amateur archivists.
- defrost 2y ago
  Stable, Horse, bolted ... Other content lost in the purge were clips and full episodes of other short-lived late-night entries like The Opposition with Jordan Klepper, The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore, the Chris Hardwick-hosted @midnight (predecessor to After Midnight), and Lights Out with David Spade. To quote Life of Brian "I know where to get it if you want it" ... these shows were archived as they aired.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    I imagine that finding copies of much of that will be difficult. I know someone who took to the high seas for episodes of the Colbert Report, but how many people are still seeding full seasons of that, let alone shows like Lights Out which were nowhere near as popular.
    - defrost 2y ago
      There are still private trackers going on two decades old now with packrat members who have home NAS systems with everything they've ever watched saved away and shared on request with other members in good standing .. less high seas piracy, more community of collectors with digital VHS tapes.
Bluecobra 2y ago
Funnily enough I remember reading somewhere that this was some of The Daily Show’s secret sauce in where they would DVR/record all the other news programs.
- ChrisNorstrom 2y ago
  They use "TV Eyes" a service that records all cable channels constantly and allows you to search through them and download clips of that segment.
  - krackers 2y ago
    How have they not been sued into oblivion?
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      It seems there was a lawsuit that they won, then lost on appeal, and then the Supreme Court decided not to let it escalate further. > This case stems from a copyright infringement case filed by Fox News back in 2013 against TVEyes [...] > On December 3rd [2018], the U.S. Supreme Court denied a petition for writ of certiorari in TVEyes, Inc. v. Fox News Network, LLC, declining the opportunity to decide what would have been the Court’s first case on fair use in a copyright context in 20 years. [1] [1] https://ipwatchdog.com/2018/12/31/scotus-declines-2d-cir-market-harm-transformative-uses/id=104181/ https://ipwatchdog.com/2018/12/31/scotus-declines-2d-cir-mar...
    - RF_Savage 2y ago
      They are part of the industry with better lawyers likely helps.
    - gorbachev 2y ago
      Because the content is not being broadcasted.
acuozzo 2y ago
A hard drive sitting on a shelf is a big question mark. Will it spin-up? Who knows?! So you deal with this by having a backup. Now you have 2x the cost. But, unfortunately, you could have two hard drives not spin up. You consider an additional backup, but at this point you're at 3x the cost, so you start to reconsider letting hard drives sit on shelves. Now you're in RAID country. RAID is not a backup, but by shifting your focus to availability you now have an approach to dealing with the "will it spin-up?" issue by proactively dealing with the problem via monitoring and rebuilds when necessary. You keep several replacement HDDs on hand for this inevitability. Now, since you know RAID is not a backup, you put a backup system in place. This is additional cost; even more if you go 3-2-1. So now you've got hard drives, storage arrays, HBAs, backups, and the power all of this consumes. We're starting to get out of cheap territory. I suppose what I'm trying to say is: If you have a lot of data, hard drives are only cheap if you don't care availability, integrity, and longevity.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Brings up an interesting topic: if I wanted to preserve a movie for 100,000 or even 1,000,000 years, how would I do it? What physical media would last that long, and could actually be played back correctly and accurately by some archaeologist in the year 1,002,025?
  - bezier-curve 2y ago
    The best we have are M-Discs, a type of durable BD-R disc that are supposed to last up to 1000 years.
  - mordae 2y ago
    None. Found a monastery to make copies every thousand years or so.
  - mk_stjames 2y ago
    Plated of quartz, etched internally via focused femtosecond pulsed-laser to create tiny voids or just changes in crystal lattice that encode bits as changes in the polarization of light passing back through the glass. It's been studied in various ways for a while now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L_wdEuQXs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L_wdEuQXs

This is why you download the things you love. Hard drives are cheap.

anigbrowl 2y ago

I can't help thinking that zapping sites with no warning is intended to defeat amateur archivists.

defrost 2y ago
Stable, Horse, bolted ... Other content lost in the purge were clips and full episodes of other short-lived late-night entries like The Opposition with Jordan Klepper, The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore, the Chris Hardwick-hosted @midnight (predecessor to After Midnight), and Lights Out with David Spade. To quote Life of Brian "I know where to get it if you want it" ... these shows were archived as they aired.
- autoexec 2y ago
  I imagine that finding copies of much of that will be difficult. I know someone who took to the high seas for episodes of the Colbert Report, but how many people are still seeding full seasons of that, let alone shows like Lights Out which were nowhere near as popular.
  - defrost 2y ago
    There are still private trackers going on two decades old now with packrat members who have home NAS systems with everything they've ever watched saved away and shared on request with other members in good standing .. less high seas piracy, more community of collectors with digital VHS tapes.

Bluecobra 2y ago

Funnily enough I remember reading somewhere that this was some of The Daily Show’s secret sauce in where they would DVR/record all the other news programs.

ChrisNorstrom 2y ago
They use "TV Eyes" a service that records all cable channels constantly and allows you to search through them and download clips of that segment.
- krackers 2y ago
  How have they not been sued into oblivion?
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    It seems there was a lawsuit that they won, then lost on appeal, and then the Supreme Court decided not to let it escalate further. > This case stems from a copyright infringement case filed by Fox News back in 2013 against TVEyes [...] > On December 3rd [2018], the U.S. Supreme Court denied a petition for writ of certiorari in TVEyes, Inc. v. Fox News Network, LLC, declining the opportunity to decide what would have been the Court’s first case on fair use in a copyright context in 20 years. [1] [1] https://ipwatchdog.com/2018/12/31/scotus-declines-2d-cir-market-harm-transformative-uses/id=104181/ https://ipwatchdog.com/2018/12/31/scotus-declines-2d-cir-mar...
  - RF_Savage 2y ago
    They are part of the industry with better lawyers likely helps.
  - gorbachev 2y ago
    Because the content is not being broadcasted.

acuozzo 2y ago

A hard drive sitting on a shelf is a big question mark. Will it spin-up? Who knows?! So you deal with this by having a backup. Now you have 2x the cost. But, unfortunately, you could have two hard drives not spin up. You consider an additional backup, but at this point you're at 3x the cost, so you start to reconsider letting hard drives sit on shelves. Now you're in RAID country. RAID is not a backup, but by shifting your focus to availability you now have an approach to dealing with the "will it spin-up?" issue by proactively dealing with the problem via monitoring and rebuilds when necessary. You keep several replacement HDDs on hand for this inevitability. Now, since you know RAID is not a backup, you put a backup system in place. This is additional cost; even more if you go 3-2-1. So now you've got hard drives, storage arrays, HBAs, backups, and the power all of this consumes. We're starting to get out of cheap territory. I suppose what I'm trying to say is: If you have a lot of data, hard drives are only cheap if you don't care availability, integrity, and longevity.

ryandrake 2y ago
Brings up an interesting topic: if I wanted to preserve a movie for 100,000 or even 1,000,000 years, how would I do it? What physical media would last that long, and could actually be played back correctly and accurately by some archaeologist in the year 1,002,025?
- bezier-curve 2y ago
  The best we have are M-Discs, a type of durable BD-R disc that are supposed to last up to 1000 years.
- mordae 2y ago
  None. Found a monastery to make copies every thousand years or so.
- mk_stjames 2y ago
  Plated of quartz, etched internally via focused femtosecond pulsed-laser to create tiny voids or just changes in crystal lattice that encode bits as changes in the polarization of light passing back through the glass. It's been studied in various ways for a while now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L_wdEuQXs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L_wdEuQXs