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Worrying that AI might make exams obsolete is kind of odd, I mean, it is a symptom I guess but only at the very end of a long stupid cascading failure. Student
by bee_rider 2y ago
Worrying that AI might make exams obsolete is kind of odd, I mean, it is a symptom I guess but only at the very end of a long stupid cascading failure.
Students cheat because they want the degree but don’t care to learn the material. Or maybe they want to learn the material, but see employment at the end as requiring better grades than they can get naturally. Either one is the result of bullshit credentialism. (Bullshit credentialism probably comes in part as a result of bullshit jobs where work-product can’t be evaluated because it’s all useless).
Hopefully students manage to cheat on so many tests that grades can become completely useless for employers. Then, they can become something useful for the students, a way to evaluate their progress and get feedback.
- prrrywinkle 2y ago[dead]
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- threatofrain 2y ago> Then, they can become something useful for the students, a way to evaluate their progress and get feedback. That's exactly why it'll become useful to employers. The degree to which student evaluations are frank assessments is the degree to which employers will value them even more. The more honest schools are the higher stakes they become. If you want to lower the stakes then increase the number of nice seats in the economy.
- nradov 2y agoCredentialism isn't really bullshit. For any decent entry-level job there will be an enormous surplus of applicants (elite overproduction). It isn't practical to evaluate them all in detail, the hiring managers simply don't have time. So they fall back on simple, somewhat arbitrary factors like educational degrees, school rankings, and GPA. It's imperfect but what else can work at scale?
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- financltravsty 2y agoSounds like a "just-so story." Credentialism is still around due to inertia, not any conscious thought or decision-making. Tell your conservative, F500 director you're going to get rid of degree requirements and watch your career evaporate.
- nradov 2y agoNah. Conservative F500 directors are quick to eliminate degree requirements as soon as they have trouble filling a critical req at an acceptable cost. Despite what you might think of those managers they are not financially illiterate. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/college-degree-job-requirement/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/college-degree-job-requirement/
- financltravsty 2y agoThere's so much wrong here; from including a propaganda mill as a source, to that source not affirming your assertions, to not lining up at all with what I've experienced. Yes, small and medium sized business are slowly removing the degree requirement, but there is no evidence for this in ultra-large international businesses. I'm curious to know how many directors you know at F500, because from my experience they get much less latitude for creativity and risk than their smaller and nimbler competitors. N.B. No one hires "critical reqs" through normal channels.
- nradov 2y agoMy experience is different. Know a bunch of F500 directors. I think you're simply wrong in the general case, although you can certainly find some organizations or individual hiring managers where that fits.
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- NoPicklez 2y agoGrades are something useful for students as a way to evaluate their progress and get feedback. Anytime you implement a way of demonstrating someone's competence on a scale (GPA etc) you will have some companies that target the higher end of that scale. I don't think cheating will result in grades becoming something useful for students. If they're useful for students in showing how they demonstrate performance, employers will use that to set a baseline for expected competency. The only way to remove that is to not have a GPA type metric but more of a pass/fail metric that puts all graduates on an equal level.