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Teams is a pain in the neck! If you make an office calendar appointment for a zoom, Microsoft "helps" you by creating a teams invite in the text of the invita

Teams is a pain in the neck! If you make an office calendar appointment for a zoom, Microsoft "helps" you by creating a teams invite in the text of the invitation that gets sent out. So there is always a chance someone you invite will click on the wrong link to be in the meeting. If you ever click on this link yourself teams will install on your system and try in the run in the background every time you boot your computer. This is just hostile to the consumer. If I want teams I can install it.

hifromwork 2y ago
The only thing I can think of when reading this is the "damn, you live like this?" meme. I can't imagine using OS that does this to you and not being angry all the time (I'm not tribalistic, Linux has its own set of infuriating problems, but at least it feels like I'm in control).
- smt88 2y ago
  This is specifically an Outlook issue, not Windows. The problem is the enterprise addiction to Outlook/Exchange that prevents employees from choosing a different email client.
- cosmojg 2y ago
  Many workplaces will restrict your choice of operating system and email client.
  - hx8 2y ago
    I ask about the tools I will be using during the interview process. There are several that I refuse to work with and will end the interview at the next possible polite point if they are required. Microsoft Windows is on my blacklist. The entire point of private retirement accounts and transferable skills is that you aren't required to stick with one employer. If your employer requires you to use bad tools then find a better employer.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >then find a better employer What a clueless and entitled point of view. Entire industries are almost exclusively Microsoft (basically all those that make the modern civilized world work: medical, transportation, semiconductor, logistics, automotive, industrial, architecture, infrastructure, CAD, etc). Your choice then is unemployment. Not everyone is an app/web developer who can freely choose employers based on stacks and tools, end even then, not in a bear market. Most people wishing not to be homeless don't have the choice of saying no to employment just because they use Windows. Your comment is the equivalent of "let them eat cake".
      - eesmith 2y ago
        On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" If no one complains, not even the entitled who have some power, then the screws continue to tighten down.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        >On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" I never said that. I said in many industries that choice is none existent other than unemployment and people care more about employment than they do about OS martyring.
        eesmith 2y ago
        Sure. But just because that's true of some industries doesn't make it true of all industries. Your comment comes across like rejecting hx8's practice because it could not be universal. Even your use of 'martyring' is bizarre. My avoidance of Windows for the last 20 years is a mild discomfort, not martyrdom. There is a long history of using one's privilege to help those with less privilege. If hx8 "entitlement" changes the workplace to allow Ubuntu as an alternative to MS Windows, then those with less privilege may be able to follow. By rejecting hx8's practice, you close off that pathway.
      - realusername 2y ago
  - DANmode 2y ago
    If those requirements make you uncomfortable daily: "Damn, you live like this?"
  - dartharva 2y ago
    And when it comes to non-technical roles, that "many" turns into "almost all".
- ATsch 2y ago
  Yes, this. linux sucks in a lot of ways. But it sucks for boring reasons I can deal with, like lack of resources, incompetence or even just ideas I disagree with. You know, just the every day inevitabilites that come with interacting with other human beings, even when they're doing their best. But what is infinitely worse than that is, on top of all of those things still happening, also having a random chance of waking up every morning to discover that someone has very deliberately, specifically decided to make my life worse, not out of personal conviction, but because it makes a line go up somewhere in a board room on the other side of the world. That I can not deal with.
  - _f1dq 2y ago
    You mean like how Outlook injects an ad into nearly every email I receive encouraging me to use Copilot for sales even though I'm not in sales and think Copilot is, in classic Microsoft form, buggy, bloated, and nearly unusable beta software that they're plaguing on their customers and charging them for the privilege?
    - adventurer 2y ago
      That’s interesting. Can’t say I get those.
hinkley 2y ago
Teams on iOS used to chew through batteries like candy. It's supposedly better, but I really should have paid more attention to my battery life when I uninstalled it after leaving my last job.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  As of now, I don't notice the battery impact of having it running on my iPhone 14.
  - hinkley 2y ago
    Yeah it went from an active problem to not one. But that could still mean 2 hours and I’m not sure I’d notice.
halfcat 2y ago
It’s not only Teams. If I send a meeting invite from my gmail with a Zoom link, it gets replaced with a Google Meet link. I have to Slack a Zoom link to everyone before the meeting every week.
- Osiris 2y ago
  My company uses Gmail and zoom and zoom is integrated into the new event screen. I've never seen a meet link on anything.
  - sgc 2y ago
    I have never seen this either. I am usually not a heavy zoom user, but I went through a relatively busy zoom stint the last 6 months or so - with links both in free gmail and in google workspace.
- fragmede 2y ago
  I have the opposite problem with my hodgepodge of things, where Zoom links get put in where I want Meet links.
nikanj 2y ago
If you want Teams you can install it. And if Microsoft wants Teams, Microsoft can install it. Perfect logic according to growth-oriented project managers!
Fysi 2y ago
This is a convenience feature in Outlook that is enabled only if you have a Teams licence, specifically that when you create a meeting in Outlook, it sets it as an online meeting. You can turn this off, but last I checked can also set it to stuff like Google Meet, Zoom, WebEx, Facetime, etc if you have the relevant plug-in for Outlook.
- Elfir3 2y ago
  That remembers me a virus that was adding himself to every e-mail sent by outlook. What was its name again ?
- geocar 2y ago
  > You can turn this off Why the fuck would I want to do that? "Oh sorry, I accidentally joined the Teams meeting instead of the Zoom meeting, nobody was there for 15 minutes so I left"
- dijit 2y ago
  I got sufficiently pissed off that this that I ranted about it: https://blog.dijit.sh/teams-microsoft-monopoly/ https://blog.dijit.sh/teams-microsoft-monopoly/ It would automatically reactivate that "teams" toggle.
zo1 2y ago
For every one of you, there is probably one of me: That loves that feature! Honestly, Microsoft blurring the lines between meetings and calendar invites was great, in my opinion. I was sad the day they took away some of that functionality (made it a non-default setting). Queue the calendar "meetings" where everyone is scrambling to find a Teams meeting link but it's nowhere to be found because the creator forgot to tick it as a Teams meeting, and everyone only noticed like 1 minute before the meeting starts.

hifromwork 2y ago

The only thing I can think of when reading this is the "damn, you live like this?" meme. I can't imagine using OS that does this to you and not being angry all the time (I'm not tribalistic, Linux has its own set of infuriating problems, but at least it feels like I'm in control).

smt88 2y ago
This is specifically an Outlook issue, not Windows. The problem is the enterprise addiction to Outlook/Exchange that prevents employees from choosing a different email client.
cosmojg 2y ago
Many workplaces will restrict your choice of operating system and email client.
- hx8 2y ago
  I ask about the tools I will be using during the interview process. There are several that I refuse to work with and will end the interview at the next possible polite point if they are required. Microsoft Windows is on my blacklist. The entire point of private retirement accounts and transferable skills is that you aren't required to stick with one employer. If your employer requires you to use bad tools then find a better employer.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >then find a better employer What a clueless and entitled point of view. Entire industries are almost exclusively Microsoft (basically all those that make the modern civilized world work: medical, transportation, semiconductor, logistics, automotive, industrial, architecture, infrastructure, CAD, etc). Your choice then is unemployment. Not everyone is an app/web developer who can freely choose employers based on stacks and tools, end even then, not in a bear market. Most people wishing not to be homeless don't have the choice of saying no to employment just because they use Windows. Your comment is the equivalent of "let them eat cake".
    - eesmith 2y ago
      On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" If no one complains, not even the entitled who have some power, then the screws continue to tighten down.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        >On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" I never said that. I said in many industries that choice is none existent other than unemployment and people care more about employment than they do about OS martyring.
        eesmith 2y ago
        Sure. But just because that's true of some industries doesn't make it true of all industries. Your comment comes across like rejecting hx8's practice because it could not be universal. Even your use of 'martyring' is bizarre. My avoidance of Windows for the last 20 years is a mild discomfort, not martyrdom. There is a long history of using one's privilege to help those with less privilege. If hx8 "entitlement" changes the workplace to allow Ubuntu as an alternative to MS Windows, then those with less privilege may be able to follow. By rejecting hx8's practice, you close off that pathway.
    - realusername 2y ago
- DANmode 2y ago
  If those requirements make you uncomfortable daily: "Damn, you live like this?"
- dartharva 2y ago
  And when it comes to non-technical roles, that "many" turns into "almost all".
ATsch 2y ago
Yes, this. linux sucks in a lot of ways. But it sucks for boring reasons I can deal with, like lack of resources, incompetence or even just ideas I disagree with. You know, just the every day inevitabilites that come with interacting with other human beings, even when they're doing their best. But what is infinitely worse than that is, on top of all of those things still happening, also having a random chance of waking up every morning to discover that someone has very deliberately, specifically decided to make my life worse, not out of personal conviction, but because it makes a line go up somewhere in a board room on the other side of the world. That I can not deal with.
- _f1dq 2y ago
  You mean like how Outlook injects an ad into nearly every email I receive encouraging me to use Copilot for sales even though I'm not in sales and think Copilot is, in classic Microsoft form, buggy, bloated, and nearly unusable beta software that they're plaguing on their customers and charging them for the privilege?
  - adventurer 2y ago
    That’s interesting. Can’t say I get those.

hinkley 2y ago

Teams on iOS used to chew through batteries like candy. It's supposedly better, but I really should have paid more attention to my battery life when I uninstalled it after leaving my last job.

FireBeyond 2y ago
As of now, I don't notice the battery impact of having it running on my iPhone 14.
- hinkley 2y ago
  Yeah it went from an active problem to not one. But that could still mean 2 hours and I’m not sure I’d notice.

halfcat 2y ago

It’s not only Teams. If I send a meeting invite from my gmail with a Zoom link, it gets replaced with a Google Meet link. I have to Slack a Zoom link to everyone before the meeting every week.

Osiris 2y ago
My company uses Gmail and zoom and zoom is integrated into the new event screen. I've never seen a meet link on anything.
- sgc 2y ago
  I have never seen this either. I am usually not a heavy zoom user, but I went through a relatively busy zoom stint the last 6 months or so - with links both in free gmail and in google workspace.
fragmede 2y ago
I have the opposite problem with my hodgepodge of things, where Zoom links get put in where I want Meet links.

nikanj 2y ago

If you want Teams you can install it. And if Microsoft wants Teams, Microsoft can install it. Perfect logic according to growth-oriented project managers!

Fysi 2y ago

This is a convenience feature in Outlook that is enabled only if you have a Teams licence, specifically that when you create a meeting in Outlook, it sets it as an online meeting. You can turn this off, but last I checked can also set it to stuff like Google Meet, Zoom, WebEx, Facetime, etc if you have the relevant plug-in for Outlook.

Elfir3 2y ago
That remembers me a virus that was adding himself to every e-mail sent by outlook. What was its name again ?
geocar 2y ago
> You can turn this off Why the fuck would I want to do that? "Oh sorry, I accidentally joined the Teams meeting instead of the Zoom meeting, nobody was there for 15 minutes so I left"
dijit 2y ago
I got sufficiently pissed off that this that I ranted about it: https://blog.dijit.sh/teams-microsoft-monopoly/ https://blog.dijit.sh/teams-microsoft-monopoly/ It would automatically reactivate that "teams" toggle.

zo1 2y ago

For every one of you, there is probably one of me: That loves that feature! Honestly, Microsoft blurring the lines between meetings and calendar invites was great, in my opinion. I was sad the day they took away some of that functionality (made it a non-default setting). Queue the calendar "meetings" where everyone is scrambling to find a Teams meeting link but it's nowhere to be found because the creator forgot to tick it as a Teams meeting, and everyone only noticed like 1 minute before the meeting starts.