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I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to"Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years.
by itsoktocry 2y ago
I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to"Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years.
What do you think comes next? These cars are literally unsupervised.
- wetpaws 2y ago>What do you think comes next? Public transport, hopefully.
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- hyfgfh 2y agoAnd mingle with the masses? in SF? Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again
- elbasti 2y ago> Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again You joke, but I've heard more than one argument about how self-driving cars will drastically improve traffic because, for inter-city travel, they will be able to drive very close together on the highway in a long convoy, leaving almost no space between cars...
- thechao 2y ago150 cars long! 90000 horsepower! May Immortan Joe live forever!!! To the Vineyards!
- DANmode 2y agoIt'll end up being the opposite that causes a positive effect, if there's one to be had. Leaving proper gaps (which next to nobody reading this will be familiar with!) allows for cars to cross, or even merge.
- miki123211 2y agoI don't think it's such a bad idea, actually. There's value in having something that can drive in a "train", but that can also disconnect when needed and drive on its own. If you're driving long distance, you get the advantages of a train, but door-to-door, with no scheduling conflicts and no egregious stop times. If your destination is 5 minutes away, it's still a car.
- elbasti 2y agoOr, you know, you could drive (or bike! or waymo!) to the local train station, which should have <30 min, well-scheduled, predictable headways to major cities, then take a train that goes 150+mph, and then drive (or bike! or waymo!) to your final destination, for _far_ less total energy expenditure. Every car in a train-caravan is schlepping along its own engine, crumple zones, airbags....and with rubber tires... ...its frankly idiotic.
- red75prime 2y agoYou need to get rid of excessive solar energy when prices turn negative anyway. So why not charge a fleet of electric taxicabs.
- Mashimo 2y agoWhy not charge a fleet of busses or trams?
- red75prime 2y agoWhy not both? We aren't trying to be efficient here, we are dumping excess energy from intermittent sources.
- signatoremo 2y agoPublic transportation is not a true panacea even where it’s seen most favorable. Car ownership increased 14% in Europe from 2012 to 2022, across the board: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240117-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d... The future will be a combination of trains, a more extensive robotaxi network for the last mile, which can be cars or vans, and a much smaller percentage of personal vehicles compared to today. Buses as they are today will decline.
- buzzert 2y agoRight, because public transit cleanliness beats Taxis, Ubers, and Waymos.
- wetpaws 2y ago[dead]
- Keyframe 2y agoOrganic, manual, hand-driven authentic vintage driving experience (before it was cool, of course).
- sushid 2y agoWell it's because as Uber expanded and had to desperately fight for its margins, it started to lower its standards for UberX. Before, cars had to be fairly new and in a relatively good condition. Now it's no longer the case.
- tmpz22 2y ago> These cars are literally unsupervised. Unsupervised in what sense? There's internal cameras that are periodically checked. Weight and seatbelt sensors that give alerts if a passenger is or puts objects in the drivers seat, or if too many individuals get in the car. I'd be shocked if a similar or greater level of observability doesn't also exist outside the car.
- Aerbil313 2y agoI think GP meant unsupervised during the ride by a remote human driver.
- 0max 2y agoI've had a dude with a Tagalog accent take over the speakers in my car and asked me and the folks I was inside with to leave because I decided to clown car it with friends visiting from out of state. With that said, there for sure is someone monitoring, but it's similar to how checkout at Amazon Go stores went. I'd be curious to know how this monitoring scales over time.
- eightysixfour 2y agoI don’t work for Amazon but I have worked with the tech. The media really ran with a misunderstanding there - the error rate for JWO is dramatically lower than people seem to think. https://www.forrester.com/blogs/no-amazon-isnt-killing-just-walk-out-but-rather-pushing-hard-in-it/ https://www.forrester.com/blogs/no-amazon-isnt-killing-just-...
- fragmede 2y agoWe have computers that can drive a car in city traffic and you're worried that we can't have a computer look at the inside of a car and tell me if someone's left a mess? A non-ML model background subtraction algorithm from the 2000's could tell you that.
- TremendousJudge 2y agocomputers can't smell
- hot_gril 2y agoRegardless of whether the Waymo is supervised, they're brand-new cars, of course they'll be cleaner.
- Fricken 2y agoMotor vehicles are gross and dirty, that's why I ride a bicycle.
- darkr 2y agoTBF, after riding up a few SF hills in the summer I’m pretty gross
- olalonde 2y agoSelf-driving + self-cleaning cars obviously.
- nytesky 2y agoUber started as off duty black car drivers doing gig work. Those were the default right? The random guy with a car gig was rolled out as uberx later? But I'm completely with you on the unsupervised part. People doing all sorts of things back there that an ML might not identify. Now if they hire an army remotely to monitor, I guess that could scale because of wage disparities.
- gpm 2y agoNot just wage disparities. You can probably watch the typical video of an individual sitting calmly scrolling on their phone back at 32x speed. More complex scenarios with multiple people at 16-4x. Even assuming they pay 'car monitors' as much as drivers (which you're right, they probably don't) the cost for the monitors is still probably less than 10% the cost for equivalent drivers.
- miki123211 2y agoNot just wage disparities, but also time / location. Quickly going through CCTV footage from a ride to catch "unusual things" takes much less time than driving. Even if somebody had to watch the entire ride at 1x speed and just one ride at a time, there's no need to do it when the car is idle or driving to pick up the next passenger. You can also hire a lot less watchers than you have drivers, because a surge in demand in one city can be serviced by watchers in many other cities. There's no need for night shifts either, you can make everybody work 9-to-5 in whatever timezone they're at.
- Ygg2 2y agoWaymos ads are obnoxious and it keeps selling my travel data to everyone, I'll better get a car
- miki123211 2y agoSource?
- Ygg2 2y agoWindows 11, Google, et al. For more see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
- hot_gril 2y agoThey supposedly use trip info for their own advertising. Says also "in some cases" shared with third parties for ads. "We collect usage data that includes trip history, buttons or links you click on our mobile app, in-vehicle interfaces, wait times for our vehicles, and other actions you take with our products and services" "We collect information about your location in a few different ways. When you take a trip, we collect the pickup and drop-off location and details about the vehicle’s route." "We may also use your information to personalize services, advertisements, content, and features, communicate with you including marketing (which you can opt out of), service, and account messages, or communicate other information we think will be of interest to you " "We will retain information we associate with your Waymo account, such as name, email and trip history, while your account remains active." "Waymo will not disclose your personal information with a third party unless one of the following applies: ... - We're involved in a merger, acquisition, reorganization or sale or transfer of some or all of our assets - In some cases to help us tailor ads and offers to your interests as detailed in the U.S. state law requirements section - Comply with any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or governmental request ... " https://support.google.com/waymo/answer/9184840#zippy=%2Cinformation-we-collect%2Cinformation-we-gather-from-your-use-of-our-products-and-services https://support.google.com/waymo/answer/9184840#zippy=%2Cinf...
- DANmode 2y agoMight actually cut down on the contingent who leave trash or other debris because they believe a person will be cleaning after them. I know, I know. We can dream.
- shoubidouwah 2y agoYou have ID of who was in the car and when, and a 'report' button in the app for the next passenger. Easy enough, if something is reported you have the choice to wait for the next one while the trashed car goes to be cleaned or ride anyway at a discount if you solve it yourself - e.g: put the trash in a bag in the boot of the car. After N reports attributed to you, you get banned.
- mejutoco 2y agoUber can have reporting as much as this, or more. I can think of some: the driver owning the car incentivizes keeping it clean; bad reviews for dirty cars. This problem is orthogonal to selfdriving.
- splwjs 2y agoopen car door trash car (or don't) report trashed car ride for discount
- elaus 2y agoYou forgot the last step: Get banned because the video surveillance shows the trash being thrown in after you've unlocked the car.
- DiggyJohnson 2y agoYes. But this is obviously asocial enough to deter most people. Significantly better deterrent than self-checkout, at least.
- vlan0 2y agoLife is just a giant story we tell ourselves. This is no different. Who knows what tomorrow's story will tell!
- lilbaby 2y agoCareening into dystopia one questionably clean Uber at a time
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