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It auto-runs all the time. I've got a work laptop with a teams for the work domain which I want. There's also a completely different copy of teams, "Microsoft

It auto-runs all the time. I've got a work laptop with a teams for the work domain which I want. There's also a completely different copy of teams, "Microsoft teams (Personal)" teams, which I have to close. Not just every boot, even after I close it manually, I still find it running constantly. I've no idea what triggers it, but it doesn't seem to obey any startup settings.

Neil44 2y ago
Ha, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Teams, Teams (Personal) Teams (new)... WTF people you're supposed to know what you're doing here.
- xnorswap 2y ago
  It's as if they saw how badly they messed up the Lync -> "Skype for business" transition and thought, "Yeah let's try that again".
  - RankingMember 2y ago
    In my cynical frame of mind I imagine those execs then golden-parachuted off to Google and were responsible for the Google Pay, GPay, and Google Wallet debacle.
  - SSLy 2y ago
    Linq is a C# DSL for SQL. You must have been thinking about Lync.
    - Semaphor 2y ago
      It’s not just a DSL, it’s also the fluent API. Because one thing Microsoft loves more than money, is confusing people with their naming.
      - anyonecancode 2y ago
        They say that "naming things is hard," but tbh I think some people and orgs are just really bad at naming.
        Semaphor 2y ago
        I can recommend "Totally made up conversations about choosing Entity Framework version numbers": https://blog.oneunicorn.com/2020/03/26/numbersarehard/ https://blog.oneunicorn.com/2020/03/26/numbersarehard/ ;)
    - xnorswap 2y ago
      Quite right, too much muscle memory got me typing the wrong word.
  - 13of40 2y ago
    IMO, the thing that went wrong with Lync->SFB transition was they bought Skype based on the idea that they could do something to merge the code with Lync, but over a year or two found out that that the only value was in the Skype branding, and the code and architecture of it was a dumpster fire. While the whole org was distracted by that, Teams came along and showed them what a rewrite from the ground up could do.
    - ethbr1 2y ago
      Teams (Web) showed them. Teams (Windows, Old) showed them a rewrite from the ground up could still be a dumpster fire.
  - yamazakiwi 2y ago
    I had a friend who worked high up at Lync before they were sold. Microsoft flew him out and threatened lawsuits to coerce them to sign and play ball. I was working at Microsoft during the switch to Skype for Business and the employees were dogfooding the beta. Terrible time to be alive.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    Communicator -> Lync (after the computer system of a dystopian videogame?) -> Skype for Business (because everybody knew Skype, so let's make this completely unrelated thing) -> Teams. Every step was about as fucked-up as every other.
- freehorse 2y ago
  The same goes for other office products too. For example, there is a business version of Outlook and a personal (?) version of it. They have the same name, the interface is similar enough to not be sure what you have, and the only reliable way to know is to check where you downloaded the installer from. Some business accounts apparently do not work with the personal version. Colleagues were just standing clueless as to why their company office accounts could not sync when they had to reinstall stuff on a computer. I don't understand why they keep doing this. I guess because the names are recognisable enough that they want them advertised as such for both use-cases, but it is confusing.
- skywhopper 2y ago
  This trend in MS software is utterly embarrassing. Every time I see these icons I cannot believe someone approved this approach.
- RankingMember 2y ago
  The "Teams (new)" is absurd. Have we not learned not to name things this way by now? I say this as someone as guilty as anyone of having created an iterative series of files with "Final_1.txt", "Final_2.txt", "Final_1-new.txt" suffixes in times of mental sketch-padding. I would never release a product into the wild with any of those in the title, though.
  - sdwr 2y ago
    "Teams v2 final final (real) skdhajah.exe"
    - bzzzt 2y ago
      I’m waiting for Super Teams 2 turbo :)
  - Sakos 2y ago
    Tbh, I prefer the Teams (new) and Teams (classic) naming. It's infinitely better than the naming they were doing before, which is they were named the exact same in the menu, but were entirely different versions.
    - j5155 2y ago
      Why can’t it just be Teams v2 and Teams v1?
queuebert 2y ago
I have the same problem on my Mac since installing Teams. Now Microsoft Update Manager starts every time I boot, even though it's not listed in the boot items. And it always shows that I have an update available ... to Microsoft Update Manager. It's a software ouroboros.
- FredPret 2y ago
  I had the same thing. I forget the exact course of action, but from what I remember: - ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.microsoft.update.agent.plist - ~/Library/Application\ Support/Microsoft\ AU\ Daemon/ - /Library/Application\ Support/Microsoft/MAU2.0/Microsoft\ AutoUpdate.app Nuke all of that, though for the last one you may have to chmod 000 it. Then do a search for everything with Microsoft Update in it and delete that too. This process kind of reminds me of removing spyware infestations from Windows XP.
  - schrodinger 2y ago
    In case this is new to some people: you can run $ mdfind [thing] like $ mdfind microsoft from the command line and it was an ultra-fast search using the index that Spotlight search uses. It's great to find pesky files when trying to rid yourself of an app and can't figure out what's left. I usually pipe it into a text editor (mdfind 1password | subl), use my editor to put rm or so rm at the beginning of each one, then paste it into terminal to run. That lets me audit the files first as opposed to xargs but I'm sure there's a million ways—the point is mdfind can be useful.
- GeekyBear 2y ago
  Regardless of the software vendor, it's best to avoid Mac software for end users if the installer requires administrator privileges to run. If you can't drag and drop an end user application into the Applications folder and have it work, just find another option in the same software category. The exception would be system utilities that modify the OS. It's perfectly normal for those to require administrative permission to install.
addandsubtract 2y ago
Oh, is that what my coworkers use when we get the "a user from outside your organization is waiting to join" message?
luzojeda 2y ago
I thought I was going crazy. Glad to know I wasn't the only one going through the same annoying thing
alphabeta2024 2y ago
It fucking autoruns by default on my Linux machine and eventually the only way to prevent it from not auto-running is to remove it. I avoid teams now whenever possible and use a browser session if forced to use teams.
- lol768 2y ago
  For some bizarre reason, Microsoft Teams is the registered file association handler for *HTML* files on my (Linux) machine. I have no idea how on earth that happened, but I do not think I did it.
- jhallenworld 2y ago
  Rant on: I use it in-browser on Linux also: Microsoft's security system is horrendous. I have to log into Teams-based client meetings using incognito browser windows because Teams keeps getting into mystery login loops with regular windows. It was working for a while, but I needed to log into Intel for Altera FPGA information. Well Intel uses Microsoft Azure for identity management (I had to log into Microsoft to log into Intel). After I did this, I couldn't attend client meetings anymore. I'm pretty sure the root of the issue is that I have multiple Microsoft identities, and their security model does not handle this case well, or at least it's incomprehensible to me and I don't want to waste any more time on it. Now Microsoft also knows me via github which is screwing it up further. It tries to tie your identity to your phone number, but it will not allow multiple account on a single number. It's a nightmare. Oh yeah, Microsoft also insists on having me install a phone app for identity management, but it doesn't solve any issues (I can't log in) other than wasting my time. This is the only thing I have to use Microsoft for, and the experience sucks. F* Microsoft. Say what you will about Google, at least I never had these issues. Edit: I'm not the only who constantly has this issue, see: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams/teams-infinite-sign-in-loop/m-p/1251739 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams/teams... https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/new-teams-login-loop/d46716df-769f-4e7d-b001-409c07303312 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/new-te...
  - genewitch 2y ago

Neil44 2y ago

Ha, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Teams, Teams (Personal) Teams (new)... WTF people you're supposed to know what you're doing here.

xnorswap 2y ago
It's as if they saw how badly they messed up the Lync -> "Skype for business" transition and thought, "Yeah let's try that again".
- RankingMember 2y ago
  In my cynical frame of mind I imagine those execs then golden-parachuted off to Google and were responsible for the Google Pay, GPay, and Google Wallet debacle.
- SSLy 2y ago
  Linq is a C# DSL for SQL. You must have been thinking about Lync.
  - Semaphor 2y ago
    It’s not just a DSL, it’s also the fluent API. Because one thing Microsoft loves more than money, is confusing people with their naming.
    - anyonecancode 2y ago
      They say that "naming things is hard," but tbh I think some people and orgs are just really bad at naming.
      - Semaphor 2y ago
        I can recommend "Totally made up conversations about choosing Entity Framework version numbers": https://blog.oneunicorn.com/2020/03/26/numbersarehard/ https://blog.oneunicorn.com/2020/03/26/numbersarehard/ ;)
  - xnorswap 2y ago
    Quite right, too much muscle memory got me typing the wrong word.
- 13of40 2y ago
  IMO, the thing that went wrong with Lync->SFB transition was they bought Skype based on the idea that they could do something to merge the code with Lync, but over a year or two found out that that the only value was in the Skype branding, and the code and architecture of it was a dumpster fire. While the whole org was distracted by that, Teams came along and showed them what a rewrite from the ground up could do.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    Teams (Web) showed them. Teams (Windows, Old) showed them a rewrite from the ground up could still be a dumpster fire.
- yamazakiwi 2y ago
  I had a friend who worked high up at Lync before they were sold. Microsoft flew him out and threatened lawsuits to coerce them to sign and play ball. I was working at Microsoft during the switch to Skype for Business and the employees were dogfooding the beta. Terrible time to be alive.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  Communicator -> Lync (after the computer system of a dystopian videogame?) -> Skype for Business (because everybody knew Skype, so let's make this completely unrelated thing) -> Teams. Every step was about as fucked-up as every other.
freehorse 2y ago
The same goes for other office products too. For example, there is a business version of Outlook and a personal (?) version of it. They have the same name, the interface is similar enough to not be sure what you have, and the only reliable way to know is to check where you downloaded the installer from. Some business accounts apparently do not work with the personal version. Colleagues were just standing clueless as to why their company office accounts could not sync when they had to reinstall stuff on a computer. I don't understand why they keep doing this. I guess because the names are recognisable enough that they want them advertised as such for both use-cases, but it is confusing.
skywhopper 2y ago
This trend in MS software is utterly embarrassing. Every time I see these icons I cannot believe someone approved this approach.
RankingMember 2y ago
The "Teams (new)" is absurd. Have we not learned not to name things this way by now? I say this as someone as guilty as anyone of having created an iterative series of files with "Final_1.txt", "Final_2.txt", "Final_1-new.txt" suffixes in times of mental sketch-padding. I would never release a product into the wild with any of those in the title, though.
- sdwr 2y ago
  "Teams v2 final final (real) skdhajah.exe"
  - bzzzt 2y ago
    I’m waiting for Super Teams 2 turbo :)
- Sakos 2y ago
  Tbh, I prefer the Teams (new) and Teams (classic) naming. It's infinitely better than the naming they were doing before, which is they were named the exact same in the menu, but were entirely different versions.
  - j5155 2y ago
    Why can’t it just be Teams v2 and Teams v1?

queuebert 2y ago

I have the same problem on my Mac since installing Teams. Now Microsoft Update Manager starts every time I boot, even though it's not listed in the boot items. And it always shows that I have an update available ... to Microsoft Update Manager. It's a software ouroboros.

FredPret 2y ago
I had the same thing. I forget the exact course of action, but from what I remember: - ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.microsoft.update.agent.plist - ~/Library/Application\ Support/Microsoft\ AU\ Daemon/ - /Library/Application\ Support/Microsoft/MAU2.0/Microsoft\ AutoUpdate.app Nuke all of that, though for the last one you may have to chmod 000 it. Then do a search for everything with Microsoft Update in it and delete that too. This process kind of reminds me of removing spyware infestations from Windows XP.
- schrodinger 2y ago
  In case this is new to some people: you can run $ mdfind [thing] like $ mdfind microsoft from the command line and it was an ultra-fast search using the index that Spotlight search uses. It's great to find pesky files when trying to rid yourself of an app and can't figure out what's left. I usually pipe it into a text editor (mdfind 1password | subl), use my editor to put rm or so rm at the beginning of each one, then paste it into terminal to run. That lets me audit the files first as opposed to xargs but I'm sure there's a million ways—the point is mdfind can be useful.
GeekyBear 2y ago
Regardless of the software vendor, it's best to avoid Mac software for end users if the installer requires administrator privileges to run. If you can't drag and drop an end user application into the Applications folder and have it work, just find another option in the same software category. The exception would be system utilities that modify the OS. It's perfectly normal for those to require administrative permission to install.

addandsubtract 2y ago

Oh, is that what my coworkers use when we get the "a user from outside your organization is waiting to join" message?

luzojeda 2y ago

I thought I was going crazy. Glad to know I wasn't the only one going through the same annoying thing

alphabeta2024 2y ago

It fucking autoruns by default on my Linux machine and eventually the only way to prevent it from not auto-running is to remove it. I avoid teams now whenever possible and use a browser session if forced to use teams.

lol768 2y ago
For some bizarre reason, Microsoft Teams is the registered file association handler for *HTML* files on my (Linux) machine. I have no idea how on earth that happened, but I do not think I did it.
jhallenworld 2y ago
Rant on: I use it in-browser on Linux also: Microsoft's security system is horrendous. I have to log into Teams-based client meetings using incognito browser windows because Teams keeps getting into mystery login loops with regular windows. It was working for a while, but I needed to log into Intel for Altera FPGA information. Well Intel uses Microsoft Azure for identity management (I had to log into Microsoft to log into Intel). After I did this, I couldn't attend client meetings anymore. I'm pretty sure the root of the issue is that I have multiple Microsoft identities, and their security model does not handle this case well, or at least it's incomprehensible to me and I don't want to waste any more time on it. Now Microsoft also knows me via github which is screwing it up further. It tries to tie your identity to your phone number, but it will not allow multiple account on a single number. It's a nightmare. Oh yeah, Microsoft also insists on having me install a phone app for identity management, but it doesn't solve any issues (I can't log in) other than wasting my time. This is the only thing I have to use Microsoft for, and the experience sucks. F* Microsoft. Say what you will about Google, at least I never had these issues. Edit: I'm not the only who constantly has this issue, see: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams/teams-infinite-sign-in-loop/m-p/1251739 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams/teams... https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/new-teams-login-loop/d46716df-769f-4e7d-b001-409c07303312 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/new-te...
- genewitch 2y ago