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> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fat

by jchw 2y ago

> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fathom how or why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux and doing real work on it. A lot of us look back just as puzzled, because when I switched to a Linux desktop for the first time in around 2004, it was definitely a choice, but it hasn't felt like a "choice" for a very long time.

pbhjpbhj 2y ago
Installing a mainstream distro on modern hardware (AMD graphics at least; I haven't tested Intel, Nvidia) is way easier and more relaxed than doing the same for Windows 11. Then installing apps, even with WingetUI it's far easier on Linux than trying to find and install apps on Windows... God help me, I hope Microsoft have learnt how to actually do window management this time to make all their crap worthwhile.
- Choco31415 2y ago
  I just installed Ubuntu on my self built computer with Nvidia GPU. It's working really well!
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  Their crap is no longer worthwhile. Each move they make is extractive, not additive.
- causal 2y ago
  Unfortunately most users will never install their own OS. Until Linux breaks into consumer OEM Microsoft has nothing to worry about.
chx 2y ago
Yeah I ran Linux as my daily driver 2004-2017 and I regret it. Since then I run Windows 10 + WSL and life is good. Win10 support ends next year and I am at a complete loss at what to do. Linux desktop never worked, never will, the incentives are not there. It's only free if you don't value your time. As I wrote before , your choices are Ubuntu where an OS upgrade shatters your entire system so throughly it takes days to get back to a working system or you can go with Arch where Bluetooth/multifunction device/etc might break every so often. But at least most of the system remains standing. And if you need to connect to some funny enterprise wifi or VPN, the IT department of the client will have Mac and Windows support but Linux? X Windows doesn't get new features, Wayland is not ready, and the package manager landscape is just getting worse https://media.hachyderm.io/media_attachments/files/112/616/917/049/407/017/original/e212f045118a3f11.png https://media.hachyderm.io/media_attachments/files/112/616/9... Windows 11 is hot garbage. No other way to put it. Send help.
- massysett 2y ago
  Go Mac. The GUI is stable and boring: the Finder hasn’t changed much in years. It’s Unix underneath so you can use command-line stuff or dusty programs like Emacs. You can now pick up a MacBook Air at Walmart for $700. Considering the inflation we’ve had, that’s actually reasonable. It will do the Unixy stuff well. My Mac is of this same class and I’m happy with it.
  - chx 2y ago
    After I moved continents (again) I am now more stable and since I use my 55" 4K TV as my monitor, I decided to make a desktop PC which can game on it -- I went with an 5700X3D CPU with a 7900 XT GPU and 64GB RAM. I do not think there's anything like it in the Mac world.
  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    I'm very happy with my Mac, but... while the key point here is the unasked for enabling of OneDrive... Untangling synced Docs and Desktop folders between multiple Macs, and trying to revert to something akin to a default and reconcile what is in various folders, not pleasant.
    - causal 2y ago
      I use macs as my daily drivers and have no idea what you're talking about? Don't even have to sign into iCloud to use it
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        You don't have to use it, but iCloud Drive and Sync is a fairly commonly used feature: > Desktop & Documents Folders: Keep your Desktop & Documents Folder in sync with iCloud and access them from other devices and iCloud.com But easily has issues reconciling files on different devices, and then, if you turn it off, things get messy and need a lot of moving things around.
        2y ago
emporas 2y ago
There was an incident a week or two ago, where one chess player demanded brand new computers to be unboxed before the chess match[1] begins. Every day of the match, to unbox new computers, because he didn't want the software to be tinkered with by no one. So they unbox the computers every day, and they have to wait an hour or more, a team of 10 people, for windows update to finish and start the match. Windows update could not be cancelled by the user anyway. I thought, if he doesn't trust software from other people, maybe he could carry with him an OS in a flash drive the size of a gum. Also, linux was not traditionally great for games, but a chess game can be supported even on a live boot. [1] Kramnik vs Jospem chess match.
- bitcharmer 2y ago
  To be fair this is about Kramnik who is completely unhinged and paranoid. No one in the chess community treats him seriously any more. He's a meme now.
bitcharmer 2y ago
> why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux What trouble? Try to install Fedora and Win 11 and tell us which is faster and simpler.

by jchw 2y ago

pbhjpbhj 2y ago

Installing a mainstream distro on modern hardware (AMD graphics at least; I haven't tested Intel, Nvidia) is way easier and more relaxed than doing the same for Windows 11. Then installing apps, even with WingetUI it's far easier on Linux than trying to find and install apps on Windows... God help me, I hope Microsoft have learnt how to actually do window management this time to make all their crap worthwhile.

Choco31415 2y ago
I just installed Ubuntu on my self built computer with Nvidia GPU. It's working really well!
slowmovintarget 2y ago
Their crap is no longer worthwhile. Each move they make is extractive, not additive.
causal 2y ago
Unfortunately most users will never install their own OS. Until Linux breaks into consumer OEM Microsoft has nothing to worry about.

chx 2y ago

Yeah I ran Linux as my daily driver 2004-2017 and I regret it. Since then I run Windows 10 + WSL and life is good. Win10 support ends next year and I am at a complete loss at what to do. Linux desktop never worked, never will, the incentives are not there. It's only free if you don't value your time. As I wrote before , your choices are Ubuntu where an OS upgrade shatters your entire system so throughly it takes days to get back to a working system or you can go with Arch where Bluetooth/multifunction device/etc might break every so often. But at least most of the system remains standing. And if you need to connect to some funny enterprise wifi or VPN, the IT department of the client will have Mac and Windows support but Linux? X Windows doesn't get new features, Wayland is not ready, and the package manager landscape is just getting worse https://media.hachyderm.io/media_attachments/files/112/616/917/049/407/017/original/e212f045118a3f11.png https://media.hachyderm.io/media_attachments/files/112/616/9... Windows 11 is hot garbage. No other way to put it. Send help.

massysett 2y ago
Go Mac. The GUI is stable and boring: the Finder hasn’t changed much in years. It’s Unix underneath so you can use command-line stuff or dusty programs like Emacs. You can now pick up a MacBook Air at Walmart for $700. Considering the inflation we’ve had, that’s actually reasonable. It will do the Unixy stuff well. My Mac is of this same class and I’m happy with it.
- chx 2y ago
  After I moved continents (again) I am now more stable and since I use my 55" 4K TV as my monitor, I decided to make a desktop PC which can game on it -- I went with an 5700X3D CPU with a 7900 XT GPU and 64GB RAM. I do not think there's anything like it in the Mac world.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  I'm very happy with my Mac, but... while the key point here is the unasked for enabling of OneDrive... Untangling synced Docs and Desktop folders between multiple Macs, and trying to revert to something akin to a default and reconcile what is in various folders, not pleasant.
  - causal 2y ago
    I use macs as my daily drivers and have no idea what you're talking about? Don't even have to sign into iCloud to use it
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      You don't have to use it, but iCloud Drive and Sync is a fairly commonly used feature: > Desktop & Documents Folders: Keep your Desktop & Documents Folder in sync with iCloud and access them from other devices and iCloud.com But easily has issues reconciling files on different devices, and then, if you turn it off, things get messy and need a lot of moving things around.
      - 2y ago

emporas 2y ago

There was an incident a week or two ago, where one chess player demanded brand new computers to be unboxed before the chess match[1] begins. Every day of the match, to unbox new computers, because he didn't want the software to be tinkered with by no one. So they unbox the computers every day, and they have to wait an hour or more, a team of 10 people, for windows update to finish and start the match. Windows update could not be cancelled by the user anyway. I thought, if he doesn't trust software from other people, maybe he could carry with him an OS in a flash drive the size of a gum. Also, linux was not traditionally great for games, but a chess game can be supported even on a live boot. [1] Kramnik vs Jospem chess match.

bitcharmer 2y ago
To be fair this is about Kramnik who is completely unhinged and paranoid. No one in the chess community treats him seriously any more. He's a meme now.

bitcharmer 2y ago

> why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux What trouble? Try to install Fedora and Win 11 and tell us which is faster and simpler.