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What did the test pilot do? > the engineers who designed MCAS and didn't add in any redundancy, There is, but it's optional :))))

sofixa 2y ago
> What did the test pilot do Validate the tests while knowing that they shouldn't. It's literally their main job, to confirm that the plane handles as it should. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/explosive-text-messages-reveal-boeing-knew-of-mcas-aggression-in-2016-and-misled-faa/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/explo...
- amelius 2y ago
  They might have been under pressure (why else would they validate a failed test)? And you can't blame people for not being a whistleblower.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    > They might have been under pressure (why else would they validate a failed test)? And you can't blame people for not being a whistleblower. When your literal job is to test critical safety features, yes, you can be blamed for failing at it. Especially when people died because you knowingly failed at your job. What's next, not blaming architects for designing an unstable building that crashes down? Not blaming a chemical factory's security inspector for OKing dumping of toxic waste into a river?
    - amelius 2y ago
      Perhaps. But in any case, let them go after management first.
  - instagib 2y ago
    They were convinced it was a non-issue. From experience with government contracts, aircraft certifications, and listening to directors speak, they will tell people whatever needs to be said to get the airplane to pass a final check to get a certification. One exchange I overheard with some details changed: >you will get a warning light here but this is the end of the fiscal and we need to ship airplanes. It will break on landing then take one week to get the replacement part and we have the maintenance contract anyways. By then we will do the work to fix the issue before anyone else actually flies this aircraft. You can retest it before final delivery and you will also get a bonus or we have more test pilots who hate being drone pilots.
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fransje26 2y ago
Some Boeing test pilot was boasting about using "Jedi mind tricks" to mislead the FAA. He was one of people responsible for convincing the FAA to drop mandatory training requirements linked to the MCAS system. https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22727244/boeing-737-max-chief-technical-pilot-indictment https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22727244/boeing-737-max-...

sofixa 2y ago

> What did the test pilot do Validate the tests while knowing that they shouldn't. It's literally their main job, to confirm that the plane handles as it should. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/explosive-text-messages-reveal-boeing-knew-of-mcas-aggression-in-2016-and-misled-faa/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/explo...

amelius 2y ago
They might have been under pressure (why else would they validate a failed test)? And you can't blame people for not being a whistleblower.
- sofixa 2y ago
  > They might have been under pressure (why else would they validate a failed test)? And you can't blame people for not being a whistleblower. When your literal job is to test critical safety features, yes, you can be blamed for failing at it. Especially when people died because you knowingly failed at your job. What's next, not blaming architects for designing an unstable building that crashes down? Not blaming a chemical factory's security inspector for OKing dumping of toxic waste into a river?
  - amelius 2y ago
    Perhaps. But in any case, let them go after management first.
- instagib 2y ago
  They were convinced it was a non-issue. From experience with government contracts, aircraft certifications, and listening to directors speak, they will tell people whatever needs to be said to get the airplane to pass a final check to get a certification. One exchange I overheard with some details changed: >you will get a warning light here but this is the end of the fiscal and we need to ship airplanes. It will break on landing then take one week to get the replacement part and we have the maintenance contract anyways. By then we will do the work to fix the issue before anyone else actually flies this aircraft. You can retest it before final delivery and you will also get a bonus or we have more test pilots who hate being drone pilots.
- deleted 2y ago
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fransje26 2y ago

Some Boeing test pilot was boasting about using "Jedi mind tricks" to mislead the FAA. He was one of people responsible for convincing the FAA to drop mandatory training requirements linked to the MCAS system. https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22727244/boeing-737-max-chief-technical-pilot-indictment https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22727244/boeing-737-max-...