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> "The guidelines don't [mention] fluctuations and peaks. Every time there is a noise peak, it is a distraction which can affect children's attention [span] and
by globular-toast 2y ago
> "The guidelines don't [mention] fluctuations and peaks. Every time there is a noise peak, it is a distraction which can affect children's attention [span] and working memory,"
This is the worst part, I think. Rail and aircraft are at least predictable and, presumably, no louder than they have to be. But all it takes is one asshole with a loud car or motorbike and hundreds or even thousands of people are disturbed. Why are these bastards allowed to continue with ever louder motors? How do people live with it? Do they not realise that it could be quiet? This is something we could choose to have quite easily.
- rustcleaner 2y agoMy proposed fix is to make speeding ticket funds NOT EVER go to local governments, pass vehicle noise limits comparable to last decade's new vehicles stock (with fat paycheck busting fines), pass every cop a handheld combination laser range finder/parabolic decibel meter/video camera enforcement device/"gun," and make the fines go totally to local government. 3rd time or intentional over-100 decibel should be crusher (with no loan discharge) for the car and five years in the clink for felony disturbing the peace. No more loud fucklechucks! :^)
- rustcleaner 2y agoOh and motorcycles at full rev must be made as quiet as a VW TDI. Thank Harley Davidson and his customers!
- erikaww 2y agoWhy the crusher? Just repo it or take all the expensive parts out. Then give that money to schools or use it to fund putting out cameras to automate traffic enforcement
- ehnto 2y agoGovernment run chopshops is what you are suggesting. The incentives are all bad, it would get exploited even if the profit goes to a school, because the middlemen still get paid. Kickbacks to cops getting cars into the workshop. I don't disagree with the general sentiment mind you. I think tarketing specific cars will do little, given even a regulation following car is still very impactful across a range of issues.
- erikaww 2y agoThere sounds like a simple fix: have the city run the full stack (including towing). Ideally most cars flowing in would be from automated enforcement. Regulation will only work with strong enforcement. By taking such aggressive actions, we can also elicit information on shops doing illegal work and have the police shut their businesses down.
- shiroiushi 2y agoI don't like the idea of destroying stuff (except aftermarket noise-making parts). How about sticking the car on a boat and shipping it to some other country and donating it there? No one profits.
- ZoomerCretin 2y agoWhy should speeding ticket funds not go to local governments? Noise may be damaging, but to a much lower degree than a violent death by car crash which speed limits reduce.
- Dylan16807 2y agoBecause it causes really bad incentives. Sometimes including making roads more dangerous with speed changes!
- ehnto 2y agoRoads are never less safe by reducing the speed, except in the case that the road design didn't also change to accompany the reduction. If you slow down a 60mph road to 20mph you need to signal with the design, that it's not safe to go fast here. Reduce the lanes, width, remove the demarking areas etc.
- Dylan16807 2y agoI don't mean the whole road, I mean segments. The speed changes while driving on it, not compared to what it was months or years ago. And then, yes, not using the design to signal the speed changes. If they're even in charge of that.
- rustcleaner 2y agoJust want to incentivize switching from radar gun to sound gun. Local departments are who principally enforce this, and taking away a reliable speeding revenue source should hunger their budgets up a bit for the noise enforcement. I'm sure laser speed acquisition could be added.
- idunnoman1222 2y agoYeah that will be popular
- ChainOfFools 2y agogot my vote! Except maybe the jail part, but I know you're probably being a little bit hyperbolic
- rustcleaner 2y agoI lived over 15 years in a house on a 2x2 lane. Speeding deaths doubling would cause less social harm than the hundreds of thousands (at least) suffering mental issues from constant vehicle noise. All the opportunity costs.
- spinach 2y agoAlso why are lawn mowers so loud and not made to be quieter in some way? Why does everyone need to cut their lawn in the first place?
- idunnoman1222 2y agoElectric lawn mowers exist
- ChainOfFools 2y agoUnfortunately idiots who will run the mower over their own cord, or absent minded who consistently forget to plug the thing in to charge it, also exist. And more neutrally there is a certain laudable economy in not throwing away a perfectly functional lawn mower just because it's become a relative nuisance as the options around that have become better over time. The lawn mower equivalent of wanting to drive a car until the wheels fall off because why trash a perfectly functional car when so many people don't even have that. Finally there are other people who actually enjoy the petty power thrill that comes with being able to make all of their neighbors endure the harsh grating drone of a 2 stroke engine, the kind of person who doesn't see the problem with suggesting other people should wear earplugs in their own homes when he's mowing his lawn, (there's a number of this type in this very comment section doing the same for cars) and because there is a flimsy but historically normalized justification for it -before electric mowers appeared on the market, everyone else with lawns to cut had to be equally guilty of making a comparable racket willing or not- they get away with it as there's no straightforward legal argument that isolates exactly why what they're doing is a net harm to the quality of life of all their neighbors.
- throwaway7ahgb 2y ago> Why does everyone need to cut their lawn in the first place? Because they want to? It's amazing how informative and insightful the HN crowd can be, however as most of the crowd seems to live in large cities there is intolerance to rural living.