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> It's just funny how they like to fool themselves. They are in essence free compared to russia and china's autocracies. Do you mind detailing what you mean?

Teever 2y ago
Why take the bait? This guy wants to talk about something nebulous like freedom. Let's talk about how we can bring domestic battery manufacturing to America so that we can use that to crush Chinese and Russian military opposition with the eventual goal of seeing proper democracy brought to those regions. We need domestic battery production for so many things, and it needed to happen yesterday. Another thing I've been wondering about is this: Who is the JLPCB or PCBWay of America? When is low cost rapid turn around PCB manufacturing in America going to be a thing? How can I be a part of that?
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- somenameforme 2y ago
  I'm not sure American democracy is in place to be a system we might want to see in the rest of the world. If we're speaking idealistically, I think there's a far more reasonable idea than hegemony. Imagine a multi-polar world, with certain limited global rights. For instance we could have a guarantee of free emigration: If a person, of no real criminality, wants to leave their country (perhaps because they feel oppressed or whatever) then their government cannot prevent them, if another country is willing to accept them. Alongside this there should also be a global agreement for countries to not interfere, directly or covertly, in the matters of other countries. That would include things like funding or otherwise providing support to various groups within other countries. It seems this would be a zillion times more viable, effective, harmonious, and productive - than trying to Americanize the rest of the world, which seems more likely to lead to the end of the world than anything else.
  - jl6 2y ago
    > of no real criminality Just be sure not to let the true Scotsmen migrate! > a global agreement for countries to not interfere, directly or covertly, in the matters of other countries Such as interfering with their CO2 emissions?
    - somenameforme 2y ago
      Of course "real" would need to be defined, because the typical behavior of tyrannical governments is to charge their political opponents with "real" crimes, roughshod them through kangaroo courts run by cronies of the political establishment, and then imprison them. The general idea is to ensure you don't allow something like genuine murderous terrorists from being able to emigrate to a hostile country. I don't know what you are implying with the CO2 stuff.
      - jl6 2y ago
        CO2 is the obvious example of where it is probably a good thing that countries attempt to interfere in what other countries do.
        somenameforme 2y ago
        This agreement would not prevent countries from agreeing to cooperate on whatever issues that matter to them. What it would prevent is other countries from trying to covertly overthrow, manipulate the elections (in countries with them), etc in other countries in an attempt to put a new government in power that would agree with them on issues.
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
    >Imagine a multi-polar world, with certain limited global rights. Who backs those limited global rights?
    - somenameforme 2y ago
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  >how we can bring domestic battery manufacturing to America so that we can use that to crush Chinese and Russian military opposition with the eventual goal of seeing proper democracy brought to those regions. Why take the bait, indeed.

Teever 2y ago

Why take the bait? This guy wants to talk about something nebulous like freedom. Let's talk about how we can bring domestic battery manufacturing to America so that we can use that to crush Chinese and Russian military opposition with the eventual goal of seeing proper democracy brought to those regions. We need domestic battery production for so many things, and it needed to happen yesterday. Another thing I've been wondering about is this: Who is the JLPCB or PCBWay of America? When is low cost rapid turn around PCB manufacturing in America going to be a thing? How can I be a part of that?

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somenameforme 2y ago
I'm not sure American democracy is in place to be a system we might want to see in the rest of the world. If we're speaking idealistically, I think there's a far more reasonable idea than hegemony. Imagine a multi-polar world, with certain limited global rights. For instance we could have a guarantee of free emigration: If a person, of no real criminality, wants to leave their country (perhaps because they feel oppressed or whatever) then their government cannot prevent them, if another country is willing to accept them. Alongside this there should also be a global agreement for countries to not interfere, directly or covertly, in the matters of other countries. That would include things like funding or otherwise providing support to various groups within other countries. It seems this would be a zillion times more viable, effective, harmonious, and productive - than trying to Americanize the rest of the world, which seems more likely to lead to the end of the world than anything else.
- jl6 2y ago
  > of no real criminality Just be sure not to let the true Scotsmen migrate! > a global agreement for countries to not interfere, directly or covertly, in the matters of other countries Such as interfering with their CO2 emissions?
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    Of course "real" would need to be defined, because the typical behavior of tyrannical governments is to charge their political opponents with "real" crimes, roughshod them through kangaroo courts run by cronies of the political establishment, and then imprison them. The general idea is to ensure you don't allow something like genuine murderous terrorists from being able to emigrate to a hostile country. I don't know what you are implying with the CO2 stuff.
    - jl6 2y ago
      CO2 is the obvious example of where it is probably a good thing that countries attempt to interfere in what other countries do.
      - somenameforme 2y ago
        This agreement would not prevent countries from agreeing to cooperate on whatever issues that matter to them. What it would prevent is other countries from trying to covertly overthrow, manipulate the elections (in countries with them), etc in other countries in an attempt to put a new government in power that would agree with them on issues.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
  >Imagine a multi-polar world, with certain limited global rights. Who backs those limited global rights?
  - somenameforme 2y ago
Ylpertnodi 2y ago
>how we can bring domestic battery manufacturing to America so that we can use that to crush Chinese and Russian military opposition with the eventual goal of seeing proper democracy brought to those regions. Why take the bait, indeed.