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MacOS is going through the same thing. It’s not nearly as bad, but Apple keeps pushing their services and being more in your face about it. I don’t mind them t

by MBCook 2y ago

MacOS is going through the same thing. It’s not nearly as bad, but Apple keeps pushing their services and being more in your face about it. I don’t mind them trying. But don’t keep asking, or ask again on every update, or badge settings because I haven’t my added to my wallet, or keep telling me how much better a family plan is when I’m single. It’s not better, it’s a waste of money. I can’t imagine switching off macOS/iOS. I don’t want Linux or Windows. But I’m getting less happy every year.

zer0zzz 2y ago
Seriously. macOS is getting this same sort of thing, but it’s being slow walked.
zeppelin101 2y ago
MacOS is getting worse, for sure, but compared to Windows, it's way "behind" in all the bad ways. As a life-long Windows user, who is also comfortable with Linux, MacOS seems to have the best of all worlds, currently.
- MBCook 2y ago
  I bought my first Windows computer in about 20 years a few months ago. It’s got 11 on it. It's an insanely tiny very low power thing that was almost as cheap as I could get. I just needed a Windows PC around and it fit my needs. Totally fine for basic stuff. But wow. I’ve seen articles about how it was getting worse, new things MS has done, pulled back on, and put in later. I was used to all the stupid advertisement stickers that have been there forever. Bing desktop images I’ve seen before and is a nice default IMO. But the big ads in the start menu? And the thing of the day on the search bar? Candy Crush and other crap? CONSTANT OneDrive and Office 365 nagging? Are you sure you didn’t mean Edge this time? Really? I’d heard of it all but it’s so comically over the top in person. And takes a while to find out how to disable. My last personal PC was XP Pro in the early 2000s. I’ve used a number of work PCs with newer versions but they were all locked down with group policy so none of that appeared. Windows is a self parody at this point. I know it’s a very good OS technically. But wow they found out how to ruin it.
  - zeppelin101 2y ago
    Thank you for sharing your story. I'd like to add that it's very much possible to disable many of these annoying things. But doing so: 1) requires some research 2) can cause your system to become unstable (e.g. if you run a script that tweaks many settings in the registry) 3) those settings may get reset with a major Windows update 4) you hardly need to do this on MacOS. Myself, I have my ways of dealing with all of these things. But it feels like an uphill battle.
    - MBCook 2y ago
      It is, I did it. It just took a while. There were system settings for the start menu things and the search bar. All the preloaded crud like Candy Crush, which I got the impression was more of a placeholder(?), was removed easily enough through the add/remove software panel. There was a preference somewhere to get Edge to shut up too. I think I might’ve had to Google something to find one setting. None of it was really too bad. It’s just a bunch of wasted time that I shouldn’t have had to deal with. And it feels like the OneDrive pop-up comes back every once in a while after a system update. But that’s easily dismissed too. Nothing came from my OEM, it was just a bog standard Windows install. All the junk comes with windows. As the user, none of this was for me. I view some of the stuff Apple does as an attempt to help me by selling me something, though not all of it. I don’t want it to happen. It’s annoying. But it somehow feels more appropriate than what Windows does. Preloading Candy Crush? I mean come on.
SamuelAdams 2y ago
Wait until you run a PiHole and see all the telemetry and dns requests that are made to *.apple.com even when you are not signed into iCloud.
- MBCook 2y ago
  I’m signed in and use a lot of Apple’s stuff so it doesn’t matter to me. It’s the ads for services or upgrades to service plans or new features of services that I don’t care about that I hate. IAPs ruined the App Store, services are ruining the OSes.
- zeppelin101 2y ago
  That's a fair point. I just find that Windows is far more aggressive in throwing their latest feature or "desired user behavior" (example #2 below) in your face. Examples include: * Cortana. Nobody should have been forced to use a modern version of Clippy, but at the OS level, and one named after a video game (AI) character. It made the whole OS feel like a joke - to me, at least. * Tricking/forcing people to sign in with Microsoft/Outlook credentials, so their Windows account would now be tied to MS online credentials. * Tricking/forcing users to upgrade into Windows 10. This happened to countless people, including to someone in my family. * Displaying literal ads in the Start Menu

by MBCook 2y ago

zer0zzz 2y ago

Seriously. macOS is getting this same sort of thing, but it’s being slow walked.

zeppelin101 2y ago

MacOS is getting worse, for sure, but compared to Windows, it's way "behind" in all the bad ways. As a life-long Windows user, who is also comfortable with Linux, MacOS seems to have the best of all worlds, currently.

MBCook 2y ago
I bought my first Windows computer in about 20 years a few months ago. It’s got 11 on it. It's an insanely tiny very low power thing that was almost as cheap as I could get. I just needed a Windows PC around and it fit my needs. Totally fine for basic stuff. But wow. I’ve seen articles about how it was getting worse, new things MS has done, pulled back on, and put in later. I was used to all the stupid advertisement stickers that have been there forever. Bing desktop images I’ve seen before and is a nice default IMO. But the big ads in the start menu? And the thing of the day on the search bar? Candy Crush and other crap? CONSTANT OneDrive and Office 365 nagging? Are you sure you didn’t mean Edge this time? Really? I’d heard of it all but it’s so comically over the top in person. And takes a while to find out how to disable. My last personal PC was XP Pro in the early 2000s. I’ve used a number of work PCs with newer versions but they were all locked down with group policy so none of that appeared. Windows is a self parody at this point. I know it’s a very good OS technically. But wow they found out how to ruin it.
- zeppelin101 2y ago
  Thank you for sharing your story. I'd like to add that it's very much possible to disable many of these annoying things. But doing so: 1) requires some research 2) can cause your system to become unstable (e.g. if you run a script that tweaks many settings in the registry) 3) those settings may get reset with a major Windows update 4) you hardly need to do this on MacOS. Myself, I have my ways of dealing with all of these things. But it feels like an uphill battle.
  - MBCook 2y ago
    It is, I did it. It just took a while. There were system settings for the start menu things and the search bar. All the preloaded crud like Candy Crush, which I got the impression was more of a placeholder(?), was removed easily enough through the add/remove software panel. There was a preference somewhere to get Edge to shut up too. I think I might’ve had to Google something to find one setting. None of it was really too bad. It’s just a bunch of wasted time that I shouldn’t have had to deal with. And it feels like the OneDrive pop-up comes back every once in a while after a system update. But that’s easily dismissed too. Nothing came from my OEM, it was just a bog standard Windows install. All the junk comes with windows. As the user, none of this was for me. I view some of the stuff Apple does as an attempt to help me by selling me something, though not all of it. I don’t want it to happen. It’s annoying. But it somehow feels more appropriate than what Windows does. Preloading Candy Crush? I mean come on.

SamuelAdams 2y ago

Wait until you run a PiHole and see all the telemetry and dns requests that are made to *.apple.com even when you are not signed into iCloud.

MBCook 2y ago
I’m signed in and use a lot of Apple’s stuff so it doesn’t matter to me. It’s the ads for services or upgrades to service plans or new features of services that I don’t care about that I hate. IAPs ruined the App Store, services are ruining the OSes.
zeppelin101 2y ago
That's a fair point. I just find that Windows is far more aggressive in throwing their latest feature or "desired user behavior" (example #2 below) in your face. Examples include: * Cortana. Nobody should have been forced to use a modern version of Clippy, but at the OS level, and one named after a video game (AI) character. It made the whole OS feel like a joke - to me, at least. * Tricking/forcing people to sign in with Microsoft/Outlook credentials, so their Windows account would now be tied to MS online credentials. * Tricking/forcing users to upgrade into Windows 10. This happened to countless people, including to someone in my family. * Displaying literal ads in the Start Menu