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I have a Framework, because I much prefer Linux, and don't want to spend more than market prices on SSD and RAM. It's the best Linux laptop I have ever owned.

by dheera 2y ago

I have a Framework, because I much prefer Linux, and don't want to spend more than market prices on SSD and RAM. It's the best Linux laptop I have ever owned. However, I do have to admit the Macbook just has a better build quality, and Framework could up their game here. Especially the bezel, the general "gritty" feel of the aluminum, the cheap feeling to the pluggable modules. Reflections in the screen are not mirror-like, they are wavy. The screen resolution and brightness could also be higher by a notch; it's impossible to use the Framework in sunlight but I think Macbooks are in fact barely useable in the sun.

MostlyStable 2y ago
Some of those could definitely be improved, but also, I do think that it is much, much easier to build a "premium" feeling product when you can seal the whole thing together and don't have to worry about repairs or upgrades. It's one reason while, why I'm personally a big fan of framework and their philosophy (my 16 just arrived the other day), I also know that they aren't for everyone. Repairable, upgradeable, modular, hardware comes with real trade-offs and not everyones value function will prefer those trade-offs.
- MBCook 2y ago
  It’s easy to avoid seams if you don’t have them in the first place by milling a huge chunk of the laptop one out one chunk of aluminum. But that’s expensive. And I agree with you it’d likely make upgrades/repairs much harder or more expensive and may remove modularity all together.
lousken 2y ago
In terms of display, framework 16 can definitely hold on its own against macbook. I saw no difference in terms of brightness (only when I downloaded an app for macbook to use HDR to boost it beyond maximum), resolution was also perfectly fine and couldn't see a difference. 165Hz however feels ever so slightly more smooth. The notch on the mac looks ugly af though and was first thing i disabled and I much prefer the look of framework. What I don't like about the framework is definitely the aluminium sides that you use to position the touchpad. The tolerances are too high and it makes it look like a prototype. Honestly I would buy just a simple bottom piece with no adjustments possible, center is fine for me

by dheera 2y ago

MostlyStable 2y ago

Some of those could definitely be improved, but also, I do think that it is much, much easier to build a "premium" feeling product when you can seal the whole thing together and don't have to worry about repairs or upgrades. It's one reason while, why I'm personally a big fan of framework and their philosophy (my 16 just arrived the other day), I also know that they aren't for everyone. Repairable, upgradeable, modular, hardware comes with real trade-offs and not everyones value function will prefer those trade-offs.

MBCook 2y ago
It’s easy to avoid seams if you don’t have them in the first place by milling a huge chunk of the laptop one out one chunk of aluminum. But that’s expensive. And I agree with you it’d likely make upgrades/repairs much harder or more expensive and may remove modularity all together.

lousken 2y ago

In terms of display, framework 16 can definitely hold on its own against macbook. I saw no difference in terms of brightness (only when I downloaded an app for macbook to use HDR to boost it beyond maximum), resolution was also perfectly fine and couldn't see a difference. 165Hz however feels ever so slightly more smooth. The notch on the mac looks ugly af though and was first thing i disabled and I much prefer the look of framework. What I don't like about the framework is definitely the aluminium sides that you use to position the touchpad. The tolerances are too high and it makes it look like a prototype. Honestly I would buy just a simple bottom piece with no adjustments possible, center is fine for me