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>roll >wheel >rotate Trundle sounds vaguely treadmill, which also has something to do with rotation :) Wonder if the two words are etymologically related.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
The word made sense, I was just surprised there was a special word for rolling robot movement, hopefully it gets more use in the future as robots become more common.
- fuzztester 2y ago
  Yes, I did know that the word trundle made sense, because I have come across it before in books, as a kid, in stories for children. E.g. "The gardener trundled his wheelbarrow along the (garden) path." (The word is not use much nowadays; archaic, as the dictionary entry says.) I was only speculating about the connection between the two words (trundle and treadmill), because they sound vaguely similar. Maybe they have a common Latin or Old English or Old German root, as many English words do. Update: I checked, and it seems I may have been partly / loosely correct about the etymological connection: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trundle https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trundle Etymology Noun and Verb from trundle small wheel, alteration of earlier trendle, from Middle English, circle, ring, wheel, from Old English trendel; akin to Old English trendan to revolve https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treadmill https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treadmill c : a mill worked by persons treading on steps on the periphery of a wide wheel having a horizontal axis https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tread https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tread tread 2 of 2 noun 1 a(1) : the part of a wheel or tire that makes contact with a road or rail Italics mine.
  - vitus 2y ago
    This sounds more like convergent evolution rather than a shared root. Tread derives from Middle English treden; the difference here is to step vs to roll. The latter definition you cite is a newer usage (from the 20th century) which is more directly analogous to the tread on the bottom of one's shoe. The use of a wheel in a treadmill seems more like an implementation detail; the obvious tie-in (IMO) is "persons treading on steps".
fuzztester 2y ago
>vaguely treadmill I meant to write: vaguely like treadmill ”Type in haste, correct at leisure" - Me. Like the quote: "Marry in haste, repent at leisure". :)
- floydnoel 2y ago
  never heard that quote before, thanks for sharing!
  - fuzztester 2y ago
    Welcome. If you liked that, you must read the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, if not already read. He was a polymath: a businessman, a scientist, a diplomat, and much more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autobiography_of_Benjamin_Franklin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autobiography_of_Benjami... >The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin is the traditional name for the unfinished record of his own life written by Benjamin Franklin from 1771 to 1790; however, Franklin appears to have called the work his Memoirs. Although it had a tortuous publication history after Franklin's death, this work has become one of the most famous and influential examples of an autobiography ever written. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin >Benjamin Franklin FRS FRSA FRSE (January 17, 1706 [O.S. January 6, 1705][Note 1] – April 17, 1790) was an American polymath: a leading writer, scientist, inventor, statesman, diplomat, printer, publisher, and political philosopher.[1] Among the most influential intellectuals of his time, Franklin was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States; a drafter and signer of the Declaration of Independence; and the first postmaster general.[2]
- robocat 2y ago
  > Marry in haste, repent at leisure "regret" at leisure would make more sense, because "repent" doesn't really have the right meaning (is more about wrongdoing/sin). https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/married-in-haste.html https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/married-in-haste.html Phrases are sometimes literally meaningless.
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o11c 2y ago
Nope. The vowel changes significantly for both, but the presence/absence of "n" remains fixed. "trundle" is related to "trend", also German "trent" and "entrinnen". "tread" is related to "trot" and "trade".
- fuzztester 2y ago
  how is tread related to trade?
  - o11c 2y ago
    It looks like "trade" changed meaning significantly between Middle English and now, even though they only converge all the way back in Proto-Indo-European. ModE tread < MidE treden < OE tredan < PWG *tredan < PG *trudaną < PIE *dreh₂ ModE trade < MidE trade (meaning "track") < MLG trade < OSax trada < PG *tradō < PIE *dreh₂ Also possibly related, assuming we merge the PID *dre_ variants which all have similar meanings: tramp[le] trap (something that gets stepped on) dromedary palindrome (run back again) ? troll ? dorm (allegedly there's an old "sleep" meaning with the same spelling - this is unrelated to "dream, draugr" which means "deceive" though!)

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

The word made sense, I was just surprised there was a special word for rolling robot movement, hopefully it gets more use in the future as robots become more common.

fuzztester 2y ago
Yes, I did know that the word trundle made sense, because I have come across it before in books, as a kid, in stories for children. E.g. "The gardener trundled his wheelbarrow along the (garden) path." (The word is not use much nowadays; archaic, as the dictionary entry says.) I was only speculating about the connection between the two words (trundle and treadmill), because they sound vaguely similar. Maybe they have a common Latin or Old English or Old German root, as many English words do. Update: I checked, and it seems I may have been partly / loosely correct about the etymological connection: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trundle https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trundle Etymology Noun and Verb from trundle small wheel, alteration of earlier trendle, from Middle English, circle, ring, wheel, from Old English trendel; akin to Old English trendan to revolve https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treadmill https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treadmill c : a mill worked by persons treading on steps on the periphery of a wide wheel having a horizontal axis https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tread https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tread tread 2 of 2 noun 1 a(1) : the part of a wheel or tire that makes contact with a road or rail Italics mine.
- vitus 2y ago
  This sounds more like convergent evolution rather than a shared root. Tread derives from Middle English treden; the difference here is to step vs to roll. The latter definition you cite is a newer usage (from the 20th century) which is more directly analogous to the tread on the bottom of one's shoe. The use of a wheel in a treadmill seems more like an implementation detail; the obvious tie-in (IMO) is "persons treading on steps".

fuzztester 2y ago

>vaguely treadmill I meant to write: vaguely like treadmill ”Type in haste, correct at leisure" - Me. Like the quote: "Marry in haste, repent at leisure". :)

floydnoel 2y ago
never heard that quote before, thanks for sharing!
- fuzztester 2y ago
  Welcome. If you liked that, you must read the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, if not already read. He was a polymath: a businessman, a scientist, a diplomat, and much more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autobiography_of_Benjamin_Franklin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autobiography_of_Benjami... >The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin is the traditional name for the unfinished record of his own life written by Benjamin Franklin from 1771 to 1790; however, Franklin appears to have called the work his Memoirs. Although it had a tortuous publication history after Franklin's death, this work has become one of the most famous and influential examples of an autobiography ever written. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin >Benjamin Franklin FRS FRSA FRSE (January 17, 1706 [O.S. January 6, 1705][Note 1] – April 17, 1790) was an American polymath: a leading writer, scientist, inventor, statesman, diplomat, printer, publisher, and political philosopher.[1] Among the most influential intellectuals of his time, Franklin was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States; a drafter and signer of the Declaration of Independence; and the first postmaster general.[2]
robocat 2y ago
> Marry in haste, repent at leisure "regret" at leisure would make more sense, because "repent" doesn't really have the right meaning (is more about wrongdoing/sin). https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/married-in-haste.html https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/married-in-haste.html Phrases are sometimes literally meaningless.
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o11c 2y ago

Nope. The vowel changes significantly for both, but the presence/absence of "n" remains fixed. "trundle" is related to "trend", also German "trent" and "entrinnen". "tread" is related to "trot" and "trade".

fuzztester 2y ago
how is tread related to trade?
- o11c 2y ago
  It looks like "trade" changed meaning significantly between Middle English and now, even though they only converge all the way back in Proto-Indo-European. ModE tread < MidE treden < OE tredan < PWG *tredan < PG *trudaną < PIE *dreh₂ ModE trade < MidE trade (meaning "track") < MLG trade < OSax trada < PG *tradō < PIE *dreh₂ Also possibly related, assuming we merge the PID *dre_ variants which all have similar meanings: tramp[le] trap (something that gets stepped on) dromedary palindrome (run back again) ? troll ? dorm (allegedly there's an old "sleep" meaning with the same spelling - this is unrelated to "dream, draugr" which means "deceive" though!)