4 ms·

It's probably not possible, which makes all these initiatives painfully naive.

cynusx 2y ago
I wonder if that would have a proof like the halting problem
cwillu 2y ago
It'd be naive if it wasn't literally a standard point that is addressed and acknowledged as being a major part of the problem. There's a reason OpenAI's charter had this clause: “We are concerned about late-stage AGI development becoming a competitive race without time for adequate safety precautions. Therefore, if a value-aligned, safety-conscious project comes close to building AGI before we do, we commit to stop competing with and start assisting this project. We will work out specifics in case-by-case agreements, but a typical triggering condition might be “a better-than-even chance of success in the next two years.””
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  How does that address the issue? I would have expected them to do that anyhow. Thats what a lot of businesses do: let another company take the hit developing the market, R and D, and supply chain, then come in with industry standardization and cooperative agreements only after the money was proven to be good in this space. See electric cars. Also they could drop that at any time. Remember when openAI stood for opensource?
  - cwillu 2y ago
    Really, you think Ford is dropping their electric car manufacturing in order to assist Tesla in building more gigafactories? > Remember when openAI stood for opensource? I surely don't, but maybe I missed it, can you show me? https://web.archive.org/web/20151211215507/https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151211215507/https://openai.co... https://web.archive.org/web/20151213200759/https://openai.com/about/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151213200759/https://openai.co... Neither mention anything about open-source, although a later update mentions publishing work (“whether as papers, blog posts, or code”), which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of “everything will be open-source” as a fundamental principle of the organization.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      Automakers often do collaborate on platforms and engines. In terms of ev we see this as well as chargers become standardized.
- drcode 2y ago
  Let us do anything we want now because we pinky promise to suddenly do something against our interest at a hazy point of time in the future

I wonder if that would have a proof like the halting problem

It'd be naive if it wasn't literally a standard point that is addressed and acknowledged as being a major part of the problem. There's a reason OpenAI's charter had this clause: “We are concerned about late-stage AGI development becoming a competitive race without time for adequate safety precautions. Therefore, if a value-aligned, safety-conscious project comes close to building AGI before we do, we commit to stop competing with and start assisting this project. We will work out specifics in case-by-case agreements, but a typical triggering condition might be “a better-than-even chance of success in the next two years.””

kjkjadksj 2y ago
How does that address the issue? I would have expected them to do that anyhow. Thats what a lot of businesses do: let another company take the hit developing the market, R and D, and supply chain, then come in with industry standardization and cooperative agreements only after the money was proven to be good in this space. See electric cars. Also they could drop that at any time. Remember when openAI stood for opensource?
- cwillu 2y ago
  Really, you think Ford is dropping their electric car manufacturing in order to assist Tesla in building more gigafactories? > Remember when openAI stood for opensource? I surely don't, but maybe I missed it, can you show me? https://web.archive.org/web/20151211215507/https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151211215507/https://openai.co... https://web.archive.org/web/20151213200759/https://openai.com/about/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151213200759/https://openai.co... Neither mention anything about open-source, although a later update mentions publishing work (“whether as papers, blog posts, or code”), which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of “everything will be open-source” as a fundamental principle of the organization.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    Automakers often do collaborate on platforms and engines. In terms of ev we see this as well as chargers become standardized.
drcode 2y ago
Let us do anything we want now because we pinky promise to suddenly do something against our interest at a hazy point of time in the future