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Sigh. HN users aren't saying that. They get upset because the fine is utterly fucking irrelevant and does not serve as a deterrent in any way shape or form.

DaoVeles 2y ago
Exactly. When the fines are this low it is factored as just a cost of doing business. They can go against a whole bunch of laws, crush the competition doing the right this and then pay a fine that amounts to nothing as they hold onto their position. This happens a lot in customer facing medicine space. Make wild claims, make hundreds of millions of profit and then get fined a few million at the tail end of it all. Rinse, repeat.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  Do you think they made that much money off bad behavior in these two warehouses? If they made one million would this fine be appropriate?
Aurornis 2y ago
They're saying that because they apparently didn't read far enough into the article to see that this was for a specific violation (failure to provide quotas in writing) for two specific locations. All of these comments getting upset because they're comparing it to all of Amazaon's revenue from all business units everywhere are either missing the point or they didn't actually read the article. If an individual jurisdiction started levying fines against companies for local violations as a percentage of their entire revenue across the company, the only logical response would be for those companies to shut down and pull out of those locations. All of these calls to calculate fines for small, local violations based on global revenues are absolutely insane.
dylan604 2y ago
To AMZN, the fines are irrelevant. But what about the manager (or whatever meme equivalent middle managment outside of c-suite) that was thinking they could get away with something so their bonus would go up? If AMZN decides not pay bonuses for the people involved, would that be a deterrent for other middle managers from doing the same?

DaoVeles 2y ago

Exactly. When the fines are this low it is factored as just a cost of doing business. They can go against a whole bunch of laws, crush the competition doing the right this and then pay a fine that amounts to nothing as they hold onto their position. This happens a lot in customer facing medicine space. Make wild claims, make hundreds of millions of profit and then get fined a few million at the tail end of it all. Rinse, repeat.

Dylan16807 2y ago
Do you think they made that much money off bad behavior in these two warehouses? If they made one million would this fine be appropriate?

Aurornis 2y ago

They're saying that because they apparently didn't read far enough into the article to see that this was for a specific violation (failure to provide quotas in writing) for two specific locations. All of these comments getting upset because they're comparing it to all of Amazaon's revenue from all business units everywhere are either missing the point or they didn't actually read the article. If an individual jurisdiction started levying fines against companies for local violations as a percentage of their entire revenue across the company, the only logical response would be for those companies to shut down and pull out of those locations. All of these calls to calculate fines for small, local violations based on global revenues are absolutely insane.

dylan604 2y ago

To AMZN, the fines are irrelevant. But what about the manager (or whatever meme equivalent middle managment outside of c-suite) that was thinking they could get away with something so their bonus would go up? If AMZN decides not pay bonuses for the people involved, would that be a deterrent for other middle managers from doing the same?