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> Verfaille, agreed with the retraction. She now has four retractions, by our count. Maybe I just don't understand biology, but there seems to be something up

by arjvik 2y ago

> Verfaille, agreed with the retraction. She now has four retractions, by our count. Maybe I just don't understand biology, but there seems to be something up here.

bpodgursky 2y ago
Probably too many grad students with high expectations and no careful review. PI will be "on" the paper but only do a cursory review.
- Metacelsus 2y ago
  And this is why it's expected that the PI will take responsibility for any papers published by their lab – if the PI isn't doing their job, they should face the consequences. (note I wrote "should", not "will")
- o238jro2j5 2y ago
  Can confirm. My PI didn't review anything. Sent their journal reviews to students and told us to sign their name at the bottom. Straight up told us to falsify our results on more than one occasion (I refused). I reported them to admin. Admin didn't investigate, didn't even contact the witnesses I named, and gave the professor tenure. This was at UT Austin about ten years ago. Academia is broken.
  - alan-hn 2y ago
    Name and shame
    - selfmodruntime 2y ago
      I wouldn’t dare in their place. Academia is tiny.
      - alan-hn 2y ago
        I know, I'm in academia. But this silence is why these things keep happening. PIs hold power over their students to keep them in line, through letters of recommendation to networking and post doc/job offers. We need to work to correct that.
        rf15 2y ago
        Imagine how much research is held back/misguided because of this... I'm happy I'm out tbh, a good r&d team seems so much easier to work in.
      - CoastalCoder 2y ago
        Damn, academia needs a #me-too moment. I find this vaguely reminiscent of Hollywood's casting couches.
- akira2501 2y ago
  You can pay for an education or you can pay for a degree. It seems like some people don't mind getting the latter when they aimed to get the former.
- flobosg 2y ago
  Along those lines: When a postdoc in my lab committed fraud, I had to face my own culpability – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766484
SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
> Maybe I just don't understand biology, but there seems to be something up here. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that.

by arjvik 2y ago

> Verfaille, agreed with the retraction. She now has four retractions, by our count. Maybe I just don't understand biology, but there seems to be something up here.

bpodgursky 2y ago

Probably too many grad students with high expectations and no careful review. PI will be "on" the paper but only do a cursory review.

Metacelsus 2y ago
And this is why it's expected that the PI will take responsibility for any papers published by their lab – if the PI isn't doing their job, they should face the consequences. (note I wrote "should", not "will")
o238jro2j5 2y ago
Can confirm. My PI didn't review anything. Sent their journal reviews to students and told us to sign their name at the bottom. Straight up told us to falsify our results on more than one occasion (I refused). I reported them to admin. Admin didn't investigate, didn't even contact the witnesses I named, and gave the professor tenure. This was at UT Austin about ten years ago. Academia is broken.
- alan-hn 2y ago
  Name and shame
  - selfmodruntime 2y ago
    I wouldn’t dare in their place. Academia is tiny.
    - alan-hn 2y ago
      I know, I'm in academia. But this silence is why these things keep happening. PIs hold power over their students to keep them in line, through letters of recommendation to networking and post doc/job offers. We need to work to correct that.
      - rf15 2y ago
        Imagine how much research is held back/misguided because of this... I'm happy I'm out tbh, a good r&d team seems so much easier to work in.
    - CoastalCoder 2y ago
      Damn, academia needs a #me-too moment. I find this vaguely reminiscent of Hollywood's casting couches.
akira2501 2y ago
You can pay for an education or you can pay for a degree. It seems like some people don't mind getting the latter when they aimed to get the former.
flobosg 2y ago
Along those lines: When a postdoc in my lab committed fraud, I had to face my own culpability – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766484

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago

> Maybe I just don't understand biology, but there seems to be something up here. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that.