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Fear will always lead to an erosion of personal rights. Fear of child predators will lead to erosion of privacy rights, and fear of terrorists has deprived all

Fear will always lead to an erosion of personal rights. Fear of child predators will lead to erosion of privacy rights, and fear of terrorists has deprived all Americans of the right to protection against unreasonable search/seizure. Welcome to modernity.

dtx1 2y ago
I for one blame the NPC Population that can't think more than 5 Minutes ahead in terms of policy.
- sneak 2y ago
  The NPC population doesn’t know about this and doesn’t care. They haven’t heard of this and they don’t know what “e2ee” means. They have “nothing to hide”. They are your parents and grandparents, and your friends from work. I blame people who do know and write internet comments instead of taking action. How many of you have deleted your Instagram and Facebook accounts? How many of you are still reachable on WhatsApp and iMessage? How many people have you onboarded to Signal? How many people have you taught to sideload?
  - dtx1 2y ago
    > The NPC population doesn’t know about this and doesn’t care. They haven’t heard of this and they don’t know what “e2ee” means. They have “nothing to hide”. They are your parents and grandparents, and your friends from work. You got it right: They do not care. They do not care that privacy, democracy and freedom are taken away from them because they never cared that they had that in the first place. It's the eternal conservative vote that will never consider an alternative regardless of fact. They vote Republican in the US and CDU here in Germany. Doesn't matter if they vote for a convicted criminal or that they ruin the future of their children and grandchildren. They got theirs, fuck everyone else. Doesn't matter what I do there's a block of at least a third to half the population that is not open to argument, reason or even facts. Fuck those People!
    - HPsquared 2y ago
      It's not really a left/right thing. These things always have "bipartisan support".
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > blame people who do know and write internet comments instead of taking action Amen. I’ve worked on privacy issues in the states. Never again. The overlap between people who care about privacy and those who are too lazy and/or nihilistic to engage with the civic process might as well be perfect. If you care about this, call your elected. If you won’t, that’s the problem.
    - cheeseomlit 2y ago
      They're nihilistic for a reason, I won't call my representative because its a waste of time. Privacy-minded Americans are a tiny subset of the population vs. the most powerful corporate entities and intelligence agencies in the world, there isn't anything we (or my representatives) can do or say that's going to make a meaningful difference. If the snowden leaks weren't enough to trigger a reckoning on this issue then nothing will. At this point civic engagement on privacy in the US basically amounts to political masturbation, it feels good but does nothing
- guappa 2y ago
  Calling others "NPC" is really telling about what kind of person you are. Yes, you're the only person who experiences inner thought and a complex existence.
HPsquared 2y ago
I don't think many people fear those things, they're just used as a rhetorical cudgel.
- blurbleblurble 2y ago
  Many do, many don't.
inference-lord 2y ago
How much is 'modernity' screwing up your life right now?
- eimrine 2y ago
  Covid measures, enshittification of internets. Chat control in Russia has outcomes in people being exploited by thugs in the whole country. How can you observe the world without immediately seing these?
  - atlasy1 2y ago
    The same reason most people are a bit “thick” , stuff just won’t go into their brains or register with them. They have the mind of children but are in adult bodies with adult voices
  - inference-lord 2y ago
    I'm actually surprised people wake up an give two fucks about any of this to be honest. It sounds like people looking for things to complain about. The "enshitification" of the internet makes me laugh.
    - eimrine 2y ago
      > The "enshitification" of the internet makes me laugh. Because doing that is your job?
      - inference-lord 2y ago
        I work in open source (donations based) and I don't believe the internet has been ruined.
- survirtual 2y ago
  Given it has suppressed an entire planet of innovation, prosperity, possibility, and experience, I would say it has negatively impacted all of us in ways you can't fathom.
uyzstvqs 2y ago
Welcome to post-modernity*. It's evil and communism in a progressive jacket.
- peoplefromibiza 2y ago
  > It's evil and communism in a progressive jacket funny to read something like this as a response to a comment blaming spreading fabricated fear.
andrelaszlo 2y ago
Fear is a completely normal and often useful emotion. What scares me is how terribly bad we are at dealing with it. This is the weakness that terrorists try to exploit, of course. We, as a society, seem to posess the emotional intelligence and maturity of a toddler being scared of the monster under the bed but happily following the friendly guy with a van full of candy. It makes me so sad.
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chii 2y ago
It's been known since ancient times that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
torginus 2y ago
The irony of this is I don't think this will substantially reduce either the percieved or actual danger present to children. I don't think this will make parents stop worrying about their kids being grabbed by strange men, and the danger will be just as present as before.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  That's only a fraction of the problem though. You have no idea how easy it is for for example, kids on the fortnite subreddit to end up on the NSFW fortnite subreddits and talk to others and start exchanging pictures. The other thing nobody wants to talk about is that it's not always adult creepy men approaching kids, it's the kids themselves that seek out sexual conversations with strangers on the internet. Sure, this is also the parents responsibility. But even with open phone access, internet filters, etc they will find a way, especially if their school gives them laptops and there's open wifi everywhere. That's where this is also for. Parents cannot monitor all their children's internet access at all times. Children will resist and find ways around parents' control, as it has always been.

dtx1 2y ago

I for one blame the NPC Population that can't think more than 5 Minutes ahead in terms of policy.

sneak 2y ago
The NPC population doesn’t know about this and doesn’t care. They haven’t heard of this and they don’t know what “e2ee” means. They have “nothing to hide”. They are your parents and grandparents, and your friends from work. I blame people who do know and write internet comments instead of taking action. How many of you have deleted your Instagram and Facebook accounts? How many of you are still reachable on WhatsApp and iMessage? How many people have you onboarded to Signal? How many people have you taught to sideload?
- dtx1 2y ago
  > The NPC population doesn’t know about this and doesn’t care. They haven’t heard of this and they don’t know what “e2ee” means. They have “nothing to hide”. They are your parents and grandparents, and your friends from work. You got it right: They do not care. They do not care that privacy, democracy and freedom are taken away from them because they never cared that they had that in the first place. It's the eternal conservative vote that will never consider an alternative regardless of fact. They vote Republican in the US and CDU here in Germany. Doesn't matter if they vote for a convicted criminal or that they ruin the future of their children and grandchildren. They got theirs, fuck everyone else. Doesn't matter what I do there's a block of at least a third to half the population that is not open to argument, reason or even facts. Fuck those People!
  - HPsquared 2y ago
    It's not really a left/right thing. These things always have "bipartisan support".
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > blame people who do know and write internet comments instead of taking action Amen. I’ve worked on privacy issues in the states. Never again. The overlap between people who care about privacy and those who are too lazy and/or nihilistic to engage with the civic process might as well be perfect. If you care about this, call your elected. If you won’t, that’s the problem.
  - cheeseomlit 2y ago
    They're nihilistic for a reason, I won't call my representative because its a waste of time. Privacy-minded Americans are a tiny subset of the population vs. the most powerful corporate entities and intelligence agencies in the world, there isn't anything we (or my representatives) can do or say that's going to make a meaningful difference. If the snowden leaks weren't enough to trigger a reckoning on this issue then nothing will. At this point civic engagement on privacy in the US basically amounts to political masturbation, it feels good but does nothing
guappa 2y ago
Calling others "NPC" is really telling about what kind of person you are. Yes, you're the only person who experiences inner thought and a complex existence.

HPsquared 2y ago

I don't think many people fear those things, they're just used as a rhetorical cudgel.

blurbleblurble 2y ago
Many do, many don't.

inference-lord 2y ago

How much is 'modernity' screwing up your life right now?

eimrine 2y ago
Covid measures, enshittification of internets. Chat control in Russia has outcomes in people being exploited by thugs in the whole country. How can you observe the world without immediately seing these?
- atlasy1 2y ago
  The same reason most people are a bit “thick” , stuff just won’t go into their brains or register with them. They have the mind of children but are in adult bodies with adult voices
- inference-lord 2y ago
  I'm actually surprised people wake up an give two fucks about any of this to be honest. It sounds like people looking for things to complain about. The "enshitification" of the internet makes me laugh.
  - eimrine 2y ago
    > The "enshitification" of the internet makes me laugh. Because doing that is your job?
    - inference-lord 2y ago
      I work in open source (donations based) and I don't believe the internet has been ruined.
survirtual 2y ago
Given it has suppressed an entire planet of innovation, prosperity, possibility, and experience, I would say it has negatively impacted all of us in ways you can't fathom.

uyzstvqs 2y ago

Welcome to post-modernity*. It's evil and communism in a progressive jacket.

peoplefromibiza 2y ago
> It's evil and communism in a progressive jacket funny to read something like this as a response to a comment blaming spreading fabricated fear.

andrelaszlo 2y ago

Fear is a completely normal and often useful emotion. What scares me is how terribly bad we are at dealing with it. This is the weakness that terrorists try to exploit, of course. We, as a society, seem to posess the emotional intelligence and maturity of a toddler being scared of the monster under the bed but happily following the friendly guy with a van full of candy. It makes me so sad.

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chii 2y ago

It's been known since ancient times that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

torginus 2y ago

The irony of this is I don't think this will substantially reduce either the percieved or actual danger present to children. I don't think this will make parents stop worrying about their kids being grabbed by strange men, and the danger will be just as present as before.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
That's only a fraction of the problem though. You have no idea how easy it is for for example, kids on the fortnite subreddit to end up on the NSFW fortnite subreddits and talk to others and start exchanging pictures. The other thing nobody wants to talk about is that it's not always adult creepy men approaching kids, it's the kids themselves that seek out sexual conversations with strangers on the internet. Sure, this is also the parents responsibility. But even with open phone access, internet filters, etc they will find a way, especially if their school gives them laptops and there's open wifi everywhere. That's where this is also for. Parents cannot monitor all their children's internet access at all times. Children will resist and find ways around parents' control, as it has always been.