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The explanation is simple, conservative outrage over non-issues. To the first example, it's the same as whining about restaurants being forced to serve black p

The explanation is simple, conservative outrage over non-issues. To the first example, it's the same as whining about restaurants being forced to serve black patrons. If you are business open to the public you should serve the public. The slippery slope is beyond obvious. Can a doctor refuse to treat gay patients? A lawyer refuse to represent gay clients? A professor refuse to teach gay students? Regardless, conservatives won this one. Business owners can discriminate based on sexuality. Hurray? Yet why is this activist bringing up a case they already won? The next examples of "how-to" manuals in elementary schools simply isn't something that exists. Further, it's frankly cover for the real agenda, pulling out any book making even the most glancing reference to homosexuality (billy has 2 dads) or past racism (MLK existed). It's a lot of hot air and fire over books not shelved in elementary schools. Perhaps in highschool or junior high, which is age groups where more explicit texts are acceptable. > and have led to a decline in public support for the gay rights movement. Completely the author, a conservative that likely does not support gay rights, opinion. > the controversies keep activists in business. I actually agree with the author here. Yes, the controversies keep the activists in business, but WHO are the activists? The answer isn't who the author identifies. Consider how many rightwing outlets repeated the lie "Now schools are letting kids identify as cats and poop in litter-boxes!". Which activist do you suppose started that?

Georgelemental 2y ago
> If you are business open to the public you should serve the public. The slippery slope is beyond obvious. Can a doctor refuse to treat gay patients? A lawyer refuse to represent gay clients? A professor refuse to teach gay students? If many businesses were doing that, that would be pretty bad, yeah. But the activist demands go far beyond that. Masterpiece Cakeshop and 303 Creative LLC weren't sued for refusing to serve gay clients—they were perfectly willing to serve gay clients! What they were sued for was refusing to provide services that would express support for a specific event—a gay wedding. It's like the difference between refusing to sell cakes to white people, and refusing to bake a cake for a white nationalist event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora... > simply isn't something that exists. Quick internet search: https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2022-06-04/parents-enflamed-by-mature-graphic-novel-in-k-6-library-nmusd-mulls-book-policy https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2022-06... Excerpts from the book in question: https://thedaughter.substack.com/p/34th-filthybooks-example-flamer-by https://thedaughter.substack.com/p/34th-filthybooks-example-...
- cogman10 2y ago
  > sell cakes to white people, and refusing to bake a cake for a white nationalist event. Good job comparing a gay wedding to nazis. > Quick internet search: And here's the followup story https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/opinion/story/2022-06-29/apodaca-controversy-over-misplaced-graphic-novel-detracts-from-larger-issues https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/opinion/story/2022... The novel was not pushed by the liberals or whatever. It was a rouge and fired staff member that decided to place the novel which ended up in the library doing an inventory. Nobody is advocating for that book to be in an elementary school library (including the author). But this is the issue with this hot button conservative issue. 5 more seconds of googling to find the followup and response and you would have seen that the library board did exactly what you'd want them to do. But now, it's a national issue because one library had a rouge (now fired) employee.
  - Tao3300 2y ago
    Rouge in a library is a bad idea anyway. It could stain the books.
  - ahazred8ta 2y ago
    We refer you to the Rouge Angles Of Satin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RougeAnglesOfSatin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RougeAnglesOfSat... ...
  - wtfwhateven 2y ago
    OP knows all of this, he's being dishonest to push an agenda sadly. Look at his submission history and you'll see similar attempts to do that. In his comments he also comes to the defence of an ex moderator of 8chan that had answers other than "no, absolutely not" to whether CSAM should be allowed on it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40385450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40385450
- TulliusCicero 2y ago
  > Masterpiece Cakeshop and 303 Creative LLC weren't sued for refusing to serve gay clients—they were perfectly willing to serve gay clients! What they were sued for was refusing to provide services that would express support for a specific event—a gay wedding. It's a gay wedding because they're gay. It's like refusing to service black people because hey, they're having a "black wedding"! The gayness here is a property of the clients, the people requesting the service, it's not that the wedding itself was super gay.
tivert 2y ago
> The explanation is simple, conservative outrage over non-issues. IMHO, that's not an explanation, that's gaslighting. One of the simplest things to do if you do not want to listen to or address someone else's concerns is to simply deny they exist. That's often very easy to do, because those concerns genuinely do not exist from perspective of the person doing the denying, especially in today's polarized and politically segregated environment, and it saves the effort of trying to understand and empathize with someone else's perspective.
- cogman10 2y ago
  No, it isn't. Remember a few years back when CRT was all the conservative outrage? What about a few years before that when political correctness was the big boogieman? How about the terrorism fearmongering? The conservative movement is one that is CONSTANTLY creating and forgetting outrages. If you've paid it any attention over the years you recognize the constant cycles it goes through freaking out over non-issues. My state, Idaho, spent a million dollars doing a witch hunt trying to root out the CRT from classrooms. When they couldn't find anything, they tried desperately hard to hide the fact that they just wasted a bunch of state funds. This year, to help combat "migrant caravans" (A nice recurring theme of conservative outrage), my state sent the police down to the boarder to do... nothing, they can't do anything because state police from Idaho can't enforce boarder laws in Texas. I was conservative long enough to know that that "empathy" is entirely one sided. No conservative is trying to "empathize" with any sort of notion deemed "woke". They are there to demonize. That's because the very nature of conservativism is to shut down anything that falls out of your current world view and resist change. It's a closed mindset. And it's one that conservative commentators exploit readily. Once you see the pattern of conservative outrage, you can't unsee it. It's literally been a part of our modern political scene for decades (even centuries). It's nothing more than warmed over John Birtch society tripe.

Georgelemental 2y ago

> If you are business open to the public you should serve the public. The slippery slope is beyond obvious. Can a doctor refuse to treat gay patients? A lawyer refuse to represent gay clients? A professor refuse to teach gay students? If many businesses were doing that, that would be pretty bad, yeah. But the activist demands go far beyond that. Masterpiece Cakeshop and 303 Creative LLC weren't sued for refusing to serve gay clients—they were perfectly willing to serve gay clients! What they were sued for was refusing to provide services that would express support for a specific event—a gay wedding. It's like the difference between refusing to sell cakes to white people, and refusing to bake a cake for a white nationalist event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora... > simply isn't something that exists. Quick internet search: https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2022-06-04/parents-enflamed-by-mature-graphic-novel-in-k-6-library-nmusd-mulls-book-policy https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2022-06... Excerpts from the book in question: https://thedaughter.substack.com/p/34th-filthybooks-example-flamer-by https://thedaughter.substack.com/p/34th-filthybooks-example-...

cogman10 2y ago
> sell cakes to white people, and refusing to bake a cake for a white nationalist event. Good job comparing a gay wedding to nazis. > Quick internet search: And here's the followup story https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/opinion/story/2022-06-29/apodaca-controversy-over-misplaced-graphic-novel-detracts-from-larger-issues https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/opinion/story/2022... The novel was not pushed by the liberals or whatever. It was a rouge and fired staff member that decided to place the novel which ended up in the library doing an inventory. Nobody is advocating for that book to be in an elementary school library (including the author). But this is the issue with this hot button conservative issue. 5 more seconds of googling to find the followup and response and you would have seen that the library board did exactly what you'd want them to do. But now, it's a national issue because one library had a rouge (now fired) employee.
- Tao3300 2y ago
  Rouge in a library is a bad idea anyway. It could stain the books.
- ahazred8ta 2y ago
  We refer you to the Rouge Angles Of Satin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RougeAnglesOfSatin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RougeAnglesOfSat... ...
- wtfwhateven 2y ago
  OP knows all of this, he's being dishonest to push an agenda sadly. Look at his submission history and you'll see similar attempts to do that. In his comments he also comes to the defence of an ex moderator of 8chan that had answers other than "no, absolutely not" to whether CSAM should be allowed on it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40385450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40385450
TulliusCicero 2y ago
> Masterpiece Cakeshop and 303 Creative LLC weren't sued for refusing to serve gay clients—they were perfectly willing to serve gay clients! What they were sued for was refusing to provide services that would express support for a specific event—a gay wedding. It's a gay wedding because they're gay. It's like refusing to service black people because hey, they're having a "black wedding"! The gayness here is a property of the clients, the people requesting the service, it's not that the wedding itself was super gay.

tivert 2y ago

> The explanation is simple, conservative outrage over non-issues. IMHO, that's not an explanation, that's gaslighting. One of the simplest things to do if you do not want to listen to or address someone else's concerns is to simply deny they exist. That's often very easy to do, because those concerns genuinely do not exist from perspective of the person doing the denying, especially in today's polarized and politically segregated environment, and it saves the effort of trying to understand and empathize with someone else's perspective.

cogman10 2y ago
No, it isn't. Remember a few years back when CRT was all the conservative outrage? What about a few years before that when political correctness was the big boogieman? How about the terrorism fearmongering? The conservative movement is one that is CONSTANTLY creating and forgetting outrages. If you've paid it any attention over the years you recognize the constant cycles it goes through freaking out over non-issues. My state, Idaho, spent a million dollars doing a witch hunt trying to root out the CRT from classrooms. When they couldn't find anything, they tried desperately hard to hide the fact that they just wasted a bunch of state funds. This year, to help combat "migrant caravans" (A nice recurring theme of conservative outrage), my state sent the police down to the boarder to do... nothing, they can't do anything because state police from Idaho can't enforce boarder laws in Texas. I was conservative long enough to know that that "empathy" is entirely one sided. No conservative is trying to "empathize" with any sort of notion deemed "woke". They are there to demonize. That's because the very nature of conservativism is to shut down anything that falls out of your current world view and resist change. It's a closed mindset. And it's one that conservative commentators exploit readily. Once you see the pattern of conservative outrage, you can't unsee it. It's literally been a part of our modern political scene for decades (even centuries). It's nothing more than warmed over John Birtch society tripe.