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Same concern here. Also, the phrasing in both, but especially the HN title made me think Cloudflare chose to do something, but it turns out the French court is
by anymouse123456 2y ago
Same concern here.
Also, the phrasing in both, but especially the HN title made me think Cloudflare chose to do something, but it turns out the French court is forcing all of them.
- dmitrygr 2y agoThey could fight and choose not to. They could ignore this and choose not to. They deserve our judgement for that
- jsnell 2y agoThey did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.
- zzo38computer 2y agoThere is other alternative, such as: get rid of their DNS service entirely, or make a petition for changing these laws.
- jsnell 2y agoMaking a petition to change the laws sounds like a great way of achieving nothing. It will certainly not mean you get to ignore the court orders. Shutting down public DNS in France would be an option (a garbage option that nobody would actually choose in this case and that'd solve nothing, but an option nonetheless). That's not what dmitrygr was asking for though. They want big tech companies to ignore legitimate court orders to protect some scummy football pirate sites.
- account42 2y ago> a garbage option that nobody would actually choose in this case and that'd solve nothing, but an option nonetheless It would be the ethically correct option.
- fastball 2y agoWhat good would getting rid of their DNS service do?
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoWhy should we not want this when the law is bad? The government should face pushback from all sides when attempting something odious.
- aniviacat 2y agoIt's a democratic country. The voters decide if the laws their government passes are bad or not.
- immibis 2y agoThere is actually no evidence this is the case, and there is evidence it is the opposite - that the less voters support something, the more likely it is to pass.
- aniviacat 2y agoThis claim appears blatantly false. If being unpopular makes a law more likely to pass, then surely the French government tars and feathers all French children every other week. No, they don't, since the voters would prevent that by voting for a different government.
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoObviously the claim exists within the space of bills that somebody actually wants. The premise is that things major industries or politically connected plutocrats want get passed over the interests of the general public for all of the usual reasons, not that things nobody wants get passed without explanation.
- immibis 2y agoThat law was never proposed. Only laws that are beneficial to the ruling class get proposed.
- aniviacat 2y ago
- ls612 2y agoThere's a really bad equilibrium where every country (or at least every country big enough to have BigTech workers in their country) figures out they can globally censor the internet by using the assets and people of those companies as leverage. Then we would have Americans having their internet censored by every foreign power except China and Russia, where BigTech have largely left. And it would all be done under the color of local law.
- jsnell 2y agoI see nothing in this article suggesting that the court order is for a global block, rather than a regional one. Do you have a source for that?
- ls612 2y agoDoes Cloudflare operate different 1.1.1.1s for each country?
- Volundr 2y agoIt's not required that they do so in order to implement a France only block. They just geolocate the requesting IP, and give different answers based on that. Same as Netflix or any other provider geo blocking there content, with the same workarounds. But also, in answer to your question, sort of, yes. 1.1.1.1 is any cast so that users will be routed to a server geographically near them. So then 1.1.1.1 a user gets in the US is quite literally a different one than a user in France will get.
- NilMostChill 2y agoThe venn diagram of people who are technically savvy enough to be able to alter their dns records and people who can and will use a VPN to work around an ip geolocation block is almost a single circle.
- paledot 2y ago
- charlieyu1 2y agoIs a non-French company obligated to obey a French court order? I can probably name a few countries where most US companies won't enforce the court order from them
- callalex 2y agoThey have paying customers in France/they operate their business in France for a profit. Just because their headquarters aren’t there doesn’t make it a non-French related business.
- anymouse123456 2y agoThe article is too thin to know what, if any fight was had. I suspect France could find a way to make things very difficult for them all. I suppose they could withdraw their service from the country in protest, but it's not obvious that would leave anyone better off. It's a difficult call and I'm not prepared to harshly judge an organization for complying with a legal, enforceable injunction.
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- anymouse123456 2y agoIf you want to judge someone so badly, why not go after the politicians who are creating these despicable policies?
- michaelcampbell 2y agoIt's almost as if the headline isn't the whole story.
- anymouse123456 2y agoIt's almost like that, but more like the headline was misleading.