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The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”. Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the
by steelbrain 2y ago
The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”.
Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?
- thejazzman 2y agoThey're the most respected / most surprising?
- dcow 2y agoDoubtful.
- Copenjin 2y agoRespected by who?
- callalex 2y agoRespect might not be the right word, but during their meteoric rise to popularity in the past decade they have consistently shouted “we don’t moderate content, we’re just a dumb pipe, don’t take this up with us take it up with the publisher!” In the past 3 years or so they have repeatedly proven that to be a lie; they weren’t able to have their cake and eat it too. But their old reputation still sticks around amongst people who don’t follow the space that closely.
- Copenjin 2y ago> In the past 3 years or so they have repeatedly proven that to be a lie; they weren’t able to have their cake and eat it too. Yeah, this is what I was referring to, not sure about the reputation but they are still popular, that's for sure.
- anymouse123456 2y agoSame concern here. Also, the phrasing in both, but especially the HN title made me think Cloudflare chose to do something, but it turns out the French court is forcing all of them.
- dmitrygr 2y agoThey could fight and choose not to. They could ignore this and choose not to. They deserve our judgement for that
- jsnell 2y agoThey did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.
- zzo38computer 2y agoThere is other alternative, such as: get rid of their DNS service entirely, or make a petition for changing these laws.
- jsnell 2y agoMaking a petition to change the laws sounds like a great way of achieving nothing. It will certainly not mean you get to ignore the court orders. Shutting down public DNS in France would be an option (a garbage option that nobody would actually choose in this case and that'd solve nothing, but an option nonetheless). That's not what dmitrygr was asking for though. They want big tech companies to ignore legitimate court orders to protect some scummy football pirate sites.
- account42 2y ago> a garbage option that nobody would actually choose in this case and that'd solve nothing, but an option nonetheless It would be the ethically correct option.
- jedberg 2y agoProbably because HN limits titles to 80 characters, so OP had to choose one to get under the limit.
- mkl 2y agoNo, it's editorialising. The original title "Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention" is 77 characters.
- TZubiri 2y agoAlso, the country (france) is ordering the "poisoning", these american companies just comply with local regulations. Heavily biased article. Remember that dns/ip systems are decentralized at the national precisely so that countries have sovereignity. The editorial line would have us believe that france is committing a free speech crime or overturning internet infrastructure, while in actuality they are exherting their national rights.
- sealeck 2y agoThis is literally just a framing issue. Note first that people generally believe in universal human rights, e.g. states shouldn't be allowed to do horrible things (e.g. genocide) just because they would be asserting their national rights. Further the action of a single state often influences other states, as is especially true when it comes to the internet which is global by nature.
- TZubiri 2y agoIf you are comparing genocide with blocking pirating websites, I'm out
- csomar 2y agoIt’s a slippery slope. Once you start losing rights, how low can you go? Historically, governments will go very low. A bad election (which is a real risk now in France) and there you have a facist state.
- TZubiri 2y agoI understand, I was being a bit too punishing. That said genocide is categorically different than blocking websites. Slippery slope is well regarded as a fallacy. I did mention that states can choose to go to war though. It is within reasonable realm that the US may overturn the orders of a French court when operating in their country, but it is an act of war. It is something you would do to prevent genocide, but not to allow frenchies to watch sports without paying.
- dang 2y agoFixed now, although leaving out the court order is also misleading. If anyone wants to suggest an accurate, neutral title that gets it all under the 80 char limit, we can change it again.
- Imagenuity 2y agoGoogle runs widely used public DNS server 8.8.8.8 Cloudflare runs widely used public DNS server 1.1.1.1 That's my guess why these two companies were singled out.