3 ms·

But you can see fuel. You can't see currents and it's not trivially visible which things you can touch at all, which things you can touch at the same time, whic

by lompad 2y ago

But you can see fuel. You can't see currents and it's not trivially visible which things you can touch at all, which things you can touch at the same time, which protection to wear, how to deal with the potentially fatal flashing arcs, ... PV installations on roofs typically have around 10-20kW peak output. Let's go with 10kW. That's around 25 panels, each outputting 30V with something like 13A. Small installations are typically single-stringed, so you end up with a voltage of 25*30V=750V with 13A DC. That's pretty likely to kill you within milliseconds if you mess up. There's a reason that stuff tends to be handled by professionals. It's a ridiculous (and pointless) risk if you aren't well educated about it and have some experience.

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
Dylan16807 2y ago
So don't single string the DIY version into an uncontrolled danger wire. There's several ways to accomplish that.
jopsen 2y ago
You could probably make a system sockets that communicate with each other before exchanging any serious power. You could digitally sign cables, and add shielding to make them detect cuts.. I'm not saying it's a future we should want :) But isn't that kind of how super chargers work? Of course, until all our grid hook ups are smart, we'll probably need electricians at some point.
- hedora 2y ago
  Enphase systems work as you describe. Each panel has its own AC inverter, and they from a mesh network and run sanity checks for shorts, etc. before exporting power.
hedora 2y ago
There are lots of boxes in our house that do 16 amps at 120V. Some do 240V, and some do higher than that, and some of those are next to sinks or in high-humidity environments. The voltages and currents for solar panels (especially if you use 240V microinverters) don't seem like a non-starter to me.
- bruce511 2y ago
  That's AC. The panels are DC. That makes a big difference. That said, the point of "do it yourself" is that you'd nake it less dangerous for ordinarily folk. So the risk of shocks would come down. What would concern me more is long-term fire risk. If not installed correctly, with the right spec parts etc, proper grounding etc, there's a significant risk of fire. Not immediately perhaps, but a couple years down the road. Again DIY kits would need to be designed with this in mind.
  - sangnoir 2y ago
    > That's AC. The panels are DC. That makes a big difference What's the qualitative difference between 16 amps at 120V and PH v DC? Either is enough to kill a person if mishandled, and yet Home Depot sells breaker boxes over the counter.
kragen 2y ago
750 volts will not kill you in single-digit milliseconds, but rather hundreds of milliseconds (or not at all), and it's probably worth it to run the extra wire to not be single-stringed

by lompad 2y ago

deleted 2y ago

[deleted]

Dylan16807 2y ago

So don't single string the DIY version into an uncontrolled danger wire. There's several ways to accomplish that.

jopsen 2y ago

You could probably make a system sockets that communicate with each other before exchanging any serious power. You could digitally sign cables, and add shielding to make them detect cuts.. I'm not saying it's a future we should want :) But isn't that kind of how super chargers work? Of course, until all our grid hook ups are smart, we'll probably need electricians at some point.

hedora 2y ago
Enphase systems work as you describe. Each panel has its own AC inverter, and they from a mesh network and run sanity checks for shorts, etc. before exporting power.

hedora 2y ago

There are lots of boxes in our house that do 16 amps at 120V. Some do 240V, and some do higher than that, and some of those are next to sinks or in high-humidity environments. The voltages and currents for solar panels (especially if you use 240V microinverters) don't seem like a non-starter to me.

bruce511 2y ago
That's AC. The panels are DC. That makes a big difference. That said, the point of "do it yourself" is that you'd nake it less dangerous for ordinarily folk. So the risk of shocks would come down. What would concern me more is long-term fire risk. If not installed correctly, with the right spec parts etc, proper grounding etc, there's a significant risk of fire. Not immediately perhaps, but a couple years down the road. Again DIY kits would need to be designed with this in mind.
- sangnoir 2y ago
  > That's AC. The panels are DC. That makes a big difference What's the qualitative difference between 16 amps at 120V and PH v DC? Either is enough to kill a person if mishandled, and yet Home Depot sells breaker boxes over the counter.

kragen 2y ago

750 volts will not kill you in single-digit milliseconds, but rather hundreds of milliseconds (or not at all), and it's probably worth it to run the extra wire to not be single-stringed