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I liked how they said this change is for "people who don't use iMessage" without naming Android.

by 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

jjtheblunt 2y ago
I think it implies a Linux desktop client could also be created.
- zshrc 2y ago
  How the heck does the statement imply that?
  - jjtheblunt 2y ago
    The parent comment guesses they were avoiding saying Android, but, in analogy with imessage availability on both macos/ios, there's linux/android. But, yes, when I wrote "I think" i can't claim that's what they meant, just that's my reading of it.
- bastawhiz 2y ago
  How many Linux desktops send text messages?
  - int_19h 2y ago
    Depends on how broadly you define "text message". But if we treat iMessage as such, why not e.g. Signal?
    - bastawhiz 2y ago
      "Text message" meaning "sends sms". RCS is (for all intents and purposes) an upgrade to SMS. How many Linux desktops have a phone number and a SIM card (or equivalent)? Signal made the design choice to require a phone number to operate. Just as with Google Messages, Whatsapp, telegram, and most others, the desktop application for Signal requires you to auth via the app on your phone, which is authed to the network via your phone number. iMessage is tied to an Apple ID and doesn't require you to have a phone at all.
  - jjtheblunt 2y ago
    I think that because macos desktops can route messages through the imessages app, not that it already is implemented for Linux today.
alt227 2y ago
They really couldnt make it more obvious that they dont give a crap about anything outside their own ecosystem and internal protocols.
- zalthor 2y ago
  Yes, but also why should they? It’s not really in their interest to do so. The only reason they’re doing anything is because of regulatory pressure.
  - alt227 2y ago
    > but also why should they? Because allowing communication with open standards allows more freedom for your customers?
    - MBCook 2y ago
      Normal people don’t care about open standards. They only care about outcomes. I know people who have wondered why texting to/from Android phones “doesn’t work” since pictures/video look terrible. This is a problem for their customers. It wouldn’t surprise me if they would’ve done this without regulatory pressure, just perhaps not as soon.
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    If you care about your customers, you care about them having a good experience when communicating with your non-customers.
    - kredd 2y ago
      Outside of small bubbles, it’s hard to believe that anyone really cares, since it’s a resolved problem in most of the world. Without exaggeration, every person I’ve met from Europe, LATAM, East/West/South Asia, Africa, and Australia has by default asked me, “Do you use WhatsApp (or its local equivalent)?” when we decided to keep in touch. I agree it has some monopolistic tendencies in the US and Canada and signals “iPhone is better!” when someone is what they call “a green bubble.” However, in the end, every group chat just gets created in an OS-agnostic app if one of the users has an Android. So, from my perspective, it’s a wasteful allocation of resources if you’re trying to “make it a good experience for the customers to communicate with non-customers” since it doesn’t really get “much better” than what we have now.
paul7986 2y ago
Green bubbles still stand and some people will look down at you. Few times those who make a good amount of money more then I said to me I hate green bubbles. These are adults / professionals ... im sure its worse for kids in school as an iPhone is an indicator of wealth/luxury brand and Apple knows and exploits such with the green bubbles. Maybe governments will come down on them for this too!
- boneghost 2y ago
  I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcastic.
  - paul7986 2y ago
    no sarcasm at all and this well documented (iPhones are more expensive then many Android phones.. it's a status symbol of being rich vs. not) i just never experienced until recently / this week ...went out with an anesthesiologist in early 40s who when i texted with my dating number (google voice) said "I hate green bubbles." I then texted them with my iPhone number and got the reply, "That's better."

I liked how they said this change is for "people who don't use iMessage" without naming Android.

jjtheblunt 2y ago

I think it implies a Linux desktop client could also be created.

zshrc 2y ago
How the heck does the statement imply that?
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  The parent comment guesses they were avoiding saying Android, but, in analogy with imessage availability on both macos/ios, there's linux/android. But, yes, when I wrote "I think" i can't claim that's what they meant, just that's my reading of it.
bastawhiz 2y ago
How many Linux desktops send text messages?
- int_19h 2y ago
  Depends on how broadly you define "text message". But if we treat iMessage as such, why not e.g. Signal?
  - bastawhiz 2y ago
    "Text message" meaning "sends sms". RCS is (for all intents and purposes) an upgrade to SMS. How many Linux desktops have a phone number and a SIM card (or equivalent)? Signal made the design choice to require a phone number to operate. Just as with Google Messages, Whatsapp, telegram, and most others, the desktop application for Signal requires you to auth via the app on your phone, which is authed to the network via your phone number. iMessage is tied to an Apple ID and doesn't require you to have a phone at all.
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  I think that because macos desktops can route messages through the imessages app, not that it already is implemented for Linux today.

alt227 2y ago

They really couldnt make it more obvious that they dont give a crap about anything outside their own ecosystem and internal protocols.

zalthor 2y ago
Yes, but also why should they? It’s not really in their interest to do so. The only reason they’re doing anything is because of regulatory pressure.
- alt227 2y ago
  > but also why should they? Because allowing communication with open standards allows more freedom for your customers?
  - MBCook 2y ago
    Normal people don’t care about open standards. They only care about outcomes. I know people who have wondered why texting to/from Android phones “doesn’t work” since pictures/video look terrible. This is a problem for their customers. It wouldn’t surprise me if they would’ve done this without regulatory pressure, just perhaps not as soon.
- sunshowers 2y ago
  If you care about your customers, you care about them having a good experience when communicating with your non-customers.
  - kredd 2y ago
    Outside of small bubbles, it’s hard to believe that anyone really cares, since it’s a resolved problem in most of the world. Without exaggeration, every person I’ve met from Europe, LATAM, East/West/South Asia, Africa, and Australia has by default asked me, “Do you use WhatsApp (or its local equivalent)?” when we decided to keep in touch. I agree it has some monopolistic tendencies in the US and Canada and signals “iPhone is better!” when someone is what they call “a green bubble.” However, in the end, every group chat just gets created in an OS-agnostic app if one of the users has an Android. So, from my perspective, it’s a wasteful allocation of resources if you’re trying to “make it a good experience for the customers to communicate with non-customers” since it doesn’t really get “much better” than what we have now.

paul7986 2y ago

Green bubbles still stand and some people will look down at you. Few times those who make a good amount of money more then I said to me I hate green bubbles. These are adults / professionals ... im sure its worse for kids in school as an iPhone is an indicator of wealth/luxury brand and Apple knows and exploits such with the green bubbles. Maybe governments will come down on them for this too!

boneghost 2y ago
I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcastic.
- paul7986 2y ago
  no sarcasm at all and this well documented (iPhones are more expensive then many Android phones.. it's a status symbol of being rich vs. not) i just never experienced until recently / this week ...went out with an anesthesiologist in early 40s who when i texted with my dating number (google voice) said "I hate green bubbles." I then texted them with my iPhone number and got the reply, "That's better."