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I ask so many questions of chatbots across so many topics and it has proven valuable many times. But I'm certainly untrusting and wary of them and don't really

I ask so many questions of chatbots across so many topics and it has proven valuable many times. But I'm certainly untrusting and wary of them and don't really doubt that I am being surveilled in detail. But I struggle to find scenarios in which it could be used against me. I'd pay more for more privacy and am interested in hosting my own. But of my 99 problems this is pretty far down the list. Once I sent some saliva to 23andMe. At least some of that data was stolen and I'm probably on a list of ashkenazim for sale somewhere. That's unpleasant. While I can't think of a problem with being surveilled by chatbots now maybe I'm just not being imaginative enough.

unyttigfjelltol 2y ago
If all your friends and all their friends said the sky was purple, even though at odds with your observation, would you be bold enough to declare it blue? We'll be immersed in AI feedback and we'll all be influenced by the advice it provides. There won't really be a "source" in the sense Google sends you to BuzzFeed and you know you're reading trash. It'll all have the veneer of authority because ChatGPT said so. The product is trust. Would you ask a malicious thug the same questions and reveal your private details? No. You can feel as untrusting as you want, but the streams of AI advice are like water and we're just like fish. It's influencing you, and if you don't realize how then you probably could pay closer attention.
- k8svet 2y ago
  Such a good reply. Even if somehow you avoid even creeping bit of AI (I'm trying as hard as I can), you will inevitably live amongst others that don't have the same information literacy or skepticism as some of us. And while using a chat bot might be personally innocent, any such users are absolutely feeding and training the beast and enabling OpenAI's next oversteps.
rchaud 2y ago
OpenAI will presumably offer more than a chatbot in the future. Even so, you can already upload files into it for analysis. I for one don't think it's a coincidence that Microsoft is pushing Windows Recall for consumers (keeping a permanent index of deleted files), pushing OneDrive as the default save location for O365 enterprise, and sinking billions into OAI.
oriel 2y ago
At the risk of a tangent, the real problem with services like 23andMe isnt just that it has your (irrevokable) DNA or traits in it, its that they now have the DNA and traits of your entire extended family up and down the tree(s) to a significant degree. Using a service like that is essentially selling them out, and they have no say in it.
- delichon 2y ago
  My older brother was pissed that I sent it in. I had a potential cousin contact me via 23andMe and I asked my brother about some possible common relations. He thought that we were probably being scammed and that I was a reckless idiot.
  - 20after4 2y ago
    Your brother is wise.
- toastal 2y ago
  Same as using GMail without PGP. GMail users are selling out the the rest of our data to Google by having one side of that conversation. It’s the same reason I am generally against using a gateway between Discord & IRC/XMPP/Matrix.

unyttigfjelltol 2y ago

If all your friends and all their friends said the sky was purple, even though at odds with your observation, would you be bold enough to declare it blue? We'll be immersed in AI feedback and we'll all be influenced by the advice it provides. There won't really be a "source" in the sense Google sends you to BuzzFeed and you know you're reading trash. It'll all have the veneer of authority because ChatGPT said so. The product is trust. Would you ask a malicious thug the same questions and reveal your private details? No. You can feel as untrusting as you want, but the streams of AI advice are like water and we're just like fish. It's influencing you, and if you don't realize how then you probably could pay closer attention.

k8svet 2y ago
Such a good reply. Even if somehow you avoid even creeping bit of AI (I'm trying as hard as I can), you will inevitably live amongst others that don't have the same information literacy or skepticism as some of us. And while using a chat bot might be personally innocent, any such users are absolutely feeding and training the beast and enabling OpenAI's next oversteps.

rchaud 2y ago

OpenAI will presumably offer more than a chatbot in the future. Even so, you can already upload files into it for analysis. I for one don't think it's a coincidence that Microsoft is pushing Windows Recall for consumers (keeping a permanent index of deleted files), pushing OneDrive as the default save location for O365 enterprise, and sinking billions into OAI.

oriel 2y ago

At the risk of a tangent, the real problem with services like 23andMe isnt just that it has your (irrevokable) DNA or traits in it, its that they now have the DNA and traits of your entire extended family up and down the tree(s) to a significant degree. Using a service like that is essentially selling them out, and they have no say in it.

delichon 2y ago
My older brother was pissed that I sent it in. I had a potential cousin contact me via 23andMe and I asked my brother about some possible common relations. He thought that we were probably being scammed and that I was a reckless idiot.
- 20after4 2y ago
  Your brother is wise.
toastal 2y ago
Same as using GMail without PGP. GMail users are selling out the the rest of our data to Google by having one side of that conversation. It’s the same reason I am generally against using a gateway between Discord & IRC/XMPP/Matrix.