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This really bothers me because Apple doesn't need to do that, it's a short term rent seeking that will bite them the long run. Why? because Apple is perfectly

by mrtksn 2y ago

This really bothers me because Apple doesn't need to do that, it's a short term rent seeking that will bite them the long run. Why? because Apple is perfectly capable of selling very good experiences at premium prices but instead they try to lock down the users so they can sell the sub-par experience that users might not purchase if given a choice. Personally, I'm very fond of the App Store model and I like the ease of use and the guarantees Apple gives about it but Apple's lock down combined with Apple's editorial makes the iPhone lag behind. For example, in UK I used Apple Pay for everything but Apple Pay isn't available in some of the countries I spend long time and Apple doesn't let the banks to implement their payment systems and doesn't let the city transit to implement their payment systems and effectively I'm getting a worse experience than Android here. Also, the lockdown doesn't let anything niche and creative to flourish. People should be able to build experiences beyond what we got in 2008 with the iPhone revolution so that we can get beyond this overly commercialised super addictive way of using smartphones. Some nerds should be able to come up with new ideas and try them out with people interested in this. Somewhere in China/Russia/Africa where iPhones are not dominant, they will come up with something and we will find ourselves stuck in these old ways. It will be like the Japanese who used to have the most advanced tech in smartphones getting obliterated with iPhone. I also don't have a problem with the %30 cut Apple takes, I think its a fair cut for the services given. What I'm concerned is strictly about stalling the progress and degrading the user experience.

1oooqooq 2y ago
you confuse cause and effect. had apple not locked in earlier customers with such tactics since forever (they never had any standard port or media for example) they wouldn't have had the marketing budgets required to convince you that they can deliver experiences for 60x markup. see, you're the next batch paying for the marketing that will come for things like vr
MBCook 2y ago
I really like Apple. I’m a big fan of their stuff. They have gotten really really drunk on the App Store and Smurfberry/lootbox cash. They think they just have to release an App Store and developers will flock to it, but it hasn’t really worked outside of the iPhone. They think developers owe them for the privilege of being allowed to develop for an Apple platform. 30% is a “bargain”. They’ve had a million chances to cut back on rates, expand what developers can do, etc. they’ve ignored them all and often doubled-down on kafkaesque app review weirdness. They need a humility check. And only world governments are big enough to do it. Sadly I don’t think they’ll learn until this happens a couple of times. “The EU just doesn’t get it”. I don’t want the iPhone thrown totally open. I like some of what Apple says they do. But they’re so out of whack they’ll lose it and be worse off than if they just had some humility.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  I don't have a problem with the %30 cut, I agree that its a good deal. The problem is, Apple is also an editor and dictates what Apps are supposed to do like the days before iPhone when the carriers used to dictate what phones can, can't and should do. Where are they now with their MMS and ringtones?
  - MBCook 2y ago
    Yeah. 30% was a good deal at the start compared to having to negotiate with carriers. But they kind of changed the world. If they want 30%, ok. But they are not earning anywhere close to 30%. Make it worth it.
mcfedr 2y ago
I'd have slight more time for apples app store if it was any good, but it does such a bad job of curation it's next to useless. When I recently got an iPad I thought app store will be great to find good games for the kids, but it just suggests so much junk As a developer, the experience is terrible because it's so random and arbitrary, you can have a feature in an app for years and then try to release an urgent bug fix and suddenly a reviewer is fixated on some tiny detail that's never changed

by mrtksn 2y ago

1oooqooq 2y ago

you confuse cause and effect. had apple not locked in earlier customers with such tactics since forever (they never had any standard port or media for example) they wouldn't have had the marketing budgets required to convince you that they can deliver experiences for 60x markup. see, you're the next batch paying for the marketing that will come for things like vr

MBCook 2y ago

I really like Apple. I’m a big fan of their stuff. They have gotten really really drunk on the App Store and Smurfberry/lootbox cash. They think they just have to release an App Store and developers will flock to it, but it hasn’t really worked outside of the iPhone. They think developers owe them for the privilege of being allowed to develop for an Apple platform. 30% is a “bargain”. They’ve had a million chances to cut back on rates, expand what developers can do, etc. they’ve ignored them all and often doubled-down on kafkaesque app review weirdness. They need a humility check. And only world governments are big enough to do it. Sadly I don’t think they’ll learn until this happens a couple of times. “The EU just doesn’t get it”. I don’t want the iPhone thrown totally open. I like some of what Apple says they do. But they’re so out of whack they’ll lose it and be worse off than if they just had some humility.

mrtksn 2y ago
I don't have a problem with the %30 cut, I agree that its a good deal. The problem is, Apple is also an editor and dictates what Apps are supposed to do like the days before iPhone when the carriers used to dictate what phones can, can't and should do. Where are they now with their MMS and ringtones?
- MBCook 2y ago
  Yeah. 30% was a good deal at the start compared to having to negotiate with carriers. But they kind of changed the world. If they want 30%, ok. But they are not earning anywhere close to 30%. Make it worth it.

mcfedr 2y ago

I'd have slight more time for apples app store if it was any good, but it does such a bad job of curation it's next to useless. When I recently got an iPad I thought app store will be great to find good games for the kids, but it just suggests so much junk As a developer, the experience is terrible because it's so random and arbitrary, you can have a feature in an app for years and then try to release an urgent bug fix and suddenly a reviewer is fixated on some tiny detail that's never changed