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> Spirit is trying to determine where the titanium came from, whether it meets proper standards despite its phony documentation, and whether the parts made from
by neilv 2y ago
> Spirit is trying to determine where the titanium came from, whether it meets proper standards despite its phony documentation, and whether the parts made from the material are structurally sound enough to hold up through the projected life spans of the jets, company officials said. Spirit said it was trying to determine the most efficient way to remove and replace the affected parts if that ended up being necessary.
Why are they even considering keeping the counterfeit parts in?
Is the situation that Spirit AeroSystems believes the eventual answer will be that the aircraft can't be used with known-counterfeit parts, but they're dancing around liability or PR, or they don't want to grandstand upon their customers' toes?
- tim333 2y agoIt's not exactly counterfeit parts. It's that the paperwork for the titanium supplied wasn't right. So I guess it could be ok titanium with just bad paperwork rather than bad titanium. Also I guess it costs a lot to change.
- nszceta 2y ago[flagged]
- mhh__ 2y agoYou've been downvoted with no retort. Can anyone in the know comment if there's truth to the hypothesis?
- Jtsummers 2y agoI didn't downvote them, but didn't upvote either. "Chinesium" - the supplier it was traced to is Chinese, but the source is unknown beyond that because the documents are falsified. It's also not yet clear if there is a quality issue, the tested parts and materials are turning out ok so far but the lack of provenance makes it difficult to know with any confidence how long the material will last. It could be the right alloy but a low quality production process that will permit much earlier than anticipated failures (potentially critical ones, it's used in both structural and mechanical parts). That's part of why they're investigating how to replace parts made from it, the quality is unknown since there's no way to verify the certifications passed on through the suppliers since it's already known that the certificates are lies. For all we know, this is Russian in source but given false documents to get it sold on the open market bypassing some sanctions or getting some oligarch sitting on a supply some extra money.
- reisse 2y ago> For all we know, this is Russian in source What is the source of this claim? I don't see it in NYT paper. > but given false documents to get it sold on the open market bypassing some sanctions It was sold in 2019, long before sanctions on titanium exports.
- Jtsummers 2y agoGood point on the timing. But I didn’t make a claim, I said “for all we know”. We don’t know the real source, but yes drop the sanction example since it does predate current sanctions.
- Dylan16807 2y ago> What is the source of this claim? I don't see it in NYT paper. The claim is "we don't know", with Russia only being mentioned as a direct counterpoint to someone assuming it isn't Russian titanium.
- bitcharmer 2y agoYou do realise there's a very good reason for those sanctions, don't you.
- willy_k 2y ago[flagged]
- Jtsummers 2y ago> To put economic pressure on a country that we pressured into a war? Who is "we"? Besides, Putin and the Russian government chose this war, they were not pressured into it.
- willy_k 2y ago[flagged]
- Dylan16807 2y agoSaying the US pressured Russia into Ukraine is not an opinion.
- neilv 2y agoIIUC, the paperwork is a major part of the part.
- rpmisms 2y agoYes, but if the paperwork is good, you don't have to replace a ton of parts, so investigating that first seems prudent.
- codedokode 2y agoIf the material was good, they would not need to make fake documents, right? Either it is low quality, or it is high quality, but from Russia.
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