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Is this a case of someone not realizing that pandemic-time laws suddenly reverted back to the normal right under them, or is this alleged to have been done with

Is this a case of someone not realizing that pandemic-time laws suddenly reverted back to the normal right under them, or is this alleged to have been done with the full understanding of committing a violation?

clipsy 2y ago
> Is this a case of someone not realizing that pandemic-time laws suddenly reverted back to the normal right under them Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
- cjbgkagh 2y ago
  "A law can bind only when it is reasonably possible for those to whom it applies to acquire knowledge of it in order to observe it, even if actual knowledge of the law is absent for a particular individual. A secret law is no law at all." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusa
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - clipsy 2y ago
    Are you suggesting that the founders of Done Global were arrested based on a secret law?
    - cjbgkagh 2y ago
      I was suggesting that there are sometimes exceptions even if in this case the exception does not apply in this case. Additionally while the general rule is intended to prevent people from avoiding guilt by avoiding awareness it's important to leave open the possibility that this default assumption made for the sake of expedience is open to abuse by those making the laws.
      - clipsy 2y ago
        I'm late in replying here, I know, but I would say that this is not an exception to the rule "ignorance of the law is not an excuse," but rather a new rule: "secret laws are not enforceable." That said, we're getting into the weeds here and I understand (and don't disagree with) the gist of what you're saying.
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
    Monitoring the legal environment in the US is in general super easy.
laborcontract 2y ago
It's fraud. COVID allowed for telehealth visits, but you still had to do it. Looks like Done allowed users to get both ADHD diagnoses and meds without even doing as much as video or audio call, and they allowed for automated refills without doing med management sessions, which are required to re-fill medication. All the while, they were able to receive insurance reimbursement for those consultations that did not happen. There's an issue with distribution of ADHD medication in this country. It's both dehumanizing and unpredictable. The DEA ought to shoulder some blame for people seeking these type of services. But what Done did was downright irresponsible. Two people died from stimulant overdoes. That just doesn't happen for people who need the medicine for their day-to-day. One of the things that doctors are supposed to do during med management session is to monitor the behavior of their patients for patterns of abuse.

clipsy 2y ago

> Is this a case of someone not realizing that pandemic-time laws suddenly reverted back to the normal right under them Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

cjbgkagh 2y ago
"A law can bind only when it is reasonably possible for those to whom it applies to acquire knowledge of it in order to observe it, even if actual knowledge of the law is absent for a particular individual. A secret law is no law at all." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusa
- deleted 2y ago
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- clipsy 2y ago
  Are you suggesting that the founders of Done Global were arrested based on a secret law?
  - cjbgkagh 2y ago
    I was suggesting that there are sometimes exceptions even if in this case the exception does not apply in this case. Additionally while the general rule is intended to prevent people from avoiding guilt by avoiding awareness it's important to leave open the possibility that this default assumption made for the sake of expedience is open to abuse by those making the laws.
    - clipsy 2y ago
      I'm late in replying here, I know, but I would say that this is not an exception to the rule "ignorance of the law is not an excuse," but rather a new rule: "secret laws are not enforceable." That said, we're getting into the weeds here and I understand (and don't disagree with) the gist of what you're saying.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  Monitoring the legal environment in the US is in general super easy.

laborcontract 2y ago

It's fraud. COVID allowed for telehealth visits, but you still had to do it. Looks like Done allowed users to get both ADHD diagnoses and meds without even doing as much as video or audio call, and they allowed for automated refills without doing med management sessions, which are required to re-fill medication. All the while, they were able to receive insurance reimbursement for those consultations that did not happen. There's an issue with distribution of ADHD medication in this country. It's both dehumanizing and unpredictable. The DEA ought to shoulder some blame for people seeking these type of services. But what Done did was downright irresponsible. Two people died from stimulant overdoes. That just doesn't happen for people who need the medicine for their day-to-day. One of the things that doctors are supposed to do during med management session is to monitor the behavior of their patients for patterns of abuse.