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> The answer would be don't go to war... China are, in a disturbingly literal sense, doing dress rehearsals for a Taiwan invasion. As far as I know (not speaki

by roenxi 2y ago

> The answer would be don't go to war... China are, in a disturbingly literal sense, doing dress rehearsals for a Taiwan invasion. As far as I know (not speaking Chinese) their rhetoric has been quite clear that they see military invasion as an option on this topic. They're probably going to be a US-calibre military superpower in short order given their economic and manufacturing foundations. I doubt your answer will make a compelling case to their ears. > There is no such thing as "unprovoked US aggression", it's all quite predictable decades ahead That is suspect: * It almost rejects the entire concept of unprovoked aggression. Although de-facto it is, damaging or obstructing the US's commercial interests isn't supposed to be considered a military provocation. * It is at odds with a country like the US that is continuously in a state of conflict because of their commercial interests. On balance they're probably the most militarily aggressive country in existence right now. That is a lot of implicit provocation! > China, Iran, Russia, NK, Cuba etc instead are still guided by nationalist impulses, which unfortunately can result in irrational decisions (Ukraine, Taiwan) I can't resist a jab at this one. Thank goodness the rationalists prevailed on topics like Iraq and Afghanistan, leading to glorious success, prosperity and other good outcomes!

elzbardico 2y ago
China is responding to provocative actions of the US in Taiwan, the same way russia responded in Ukraine. "The others are irrational actors, crazies. We are the normal ones" If you can't smell the propaganda you've been fed to believe this irrational racist statements probably you will enjoy the draft.
- chii 2y ago
  > provocative actions of the US in Taiwan which was started via China's provocations in the southern china seas. Not to mention the de-democratization of hong kong. As for russia, their "response" is due to the fact that they don't want ukraine to lean westwards, regardless of the desire of the populous. I personally don't believe russia should have any say in how ukraine leans, and if their populous wants to lean westwards, russia have no right to intervene.
- exe34 2y ago
  From the Pacific to the Himalayas, the republic of China will be free?
- spookie 2y ago
  No country should be subjugated to the desires of another. Ukraine wanted to join the EU, that was their provocation? Several paramilitary groups in its home soil have been funded by Russia, Russia took over Crimea, Russia has invaded them. Only then was NATO ever on the table. The provocateur is pretty obvious in this case.
  - lenkite 2y ago
    > Ukraine wanted to join the EU, that was their provocation? Hello, 2014 American sponsored, Nuland-designed Maidan coup which got rid of an elected President whose election had been formally and successfully vetted by EU observers, following which a fifth of Ukraine's ethnic Russian regions rebelled. Remember - Nuland was so personally involved that she was handing over food and drinks to "protestors". If this had been a U.S. ally, there would have been howls of foreign interference 24x7 on TV. Ukraine even put joining NATO as a constitutional guideline and part of their National Security Strategy in 2020-21! Imagine Mexico as a member of a military Anti-USA coalition - you can bet that there would an American invasion the next year for "regime change". > No country should be subjugated to the desires of another. Remove U.S. military bases from Cuba, Iraq and Syria - and then talk about "subjugation" to the desires of another nation. The sanctimonious hypocrisy of Americans always astonishes non-NATO citizens.
    - philistine 2y ago
      You try to justify an invasion of Ukraine by explaining what Russia perceived as problems. Dude, we know Russia’s position on the matter: we don’t believe it is enough. Giving water to protestors, and the existence of Gunatanamo do not make Putin correct.
      - riehwvfbk 2y ago
        Hey, did the man in the telly ever tell you about how messy the process of setting Ukraine's borders was back in 1990? Independent countries had to be carved out from the corpse of the USSR, and how does one set their borders? Well, one convenient way would be to use some existing administrative boundary, and this Ukraine was created within the borders of the Ukrainian SSR... Except that it wasn't that easy. Even back then there as debate over what status Crimea should have. The region already was an autonomy, and even held elections and elected a president. And then got attached to Ukraine anyway and had its independence obliterated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Meshkov https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Meshkov
- stareatgoats 2y ago
  > "The others are irrational actors, crazies. We are the normal ones" Everyone believes this, not just those on "our" side. Geopolitics is currently best described as a forcefield, where a myriad of interests vie for influence at any cost. To believe that "the other side" is simply responding to the nefarious, expansionist ambitions of the west is not smelling the propaganda too. The good side is but one, the side that seeks to replace destructive, imperialist, selfish policies from all sides with cooperation and the rule of international law. That is unfortunately a fledgling position to take ATM. .

by roenxi 2y ago

elzbardico 2y ago

China is responding to provocative actions of the US in Taiwan, the same way russia responded in Ukraine. "The others are irrational actors, crazies. We are the normal ones" If you can't smell the propaganda you've been fed to believe this irrational racist statements probably you will enjoy the draft.

chii 2y ago
> provocative actions of the US in Taiwan which was started via China's provocations in the southern china seas. Not to mention the de-democratization of hong kong. As for russia, their "response" is due to the fact that they don't want ukraine to lean westwards, regardless of the desire of the populous. I personally don't believe russia should have any say in how ukraine leans, and if their populous wants to lean westwards, russia have no right to intervene.
exe34 2y ago
From the Pacific to the Himalayas, the republic of China will be free?
spookie 2y ago
No country should be subjugated to the desires of another. Ukraine wanted to join the EU, that was their provocation? Several paramilitary groups in its home soil have been funded by Russia, Russia took over Crimea, Russia has invaded them. Only then was NATO ever on the table. The provocateur is pretty obvious in this case.
- lenkite 2y ago
  > Ukraine wanted to join the EU, that was their provocation? Hello, 2014 American sponsored, Nuland-designed Maidan coup which got rid of an elected President whose election had been formally and successfully vetted by EU observers, following which a fifth of Ukraine's ethnic Russian regions rebelled. Remember - Nuland was so personally involved that she was handing over food and drinks to "protestors". If this had been a U.S. ally, there would have been howls of foreign interference 24x7 on TV. Ukraine even put joining NATO as a constitutional guideline and part of their National Security Strategy in 2020-21! Imagine Mexico as a member of a military Anti-USA coalition - you can bet that there would an American invasion the next year for "regime change". > No country should be subjugated to the desires of another. Remove U.S. military bases from Cuba, Iraq and Syria - and then talk about "subjugation" to the desires of another nation. The sanctimonious hypocrisy of Americans always astonishes non-NATO citizens.
  - philistine 2y ago
    You try to justify an invasion of Ukraine by explaining what Russia perceived as problems. Dude, we know Russia’s position on the matter: we don’t believe it is enough. Giving water to protestors, and the existence of Gunatanamo do not make Putin correct.
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      Hey, did the man in the telly ever tell you about how messy the process of setting Ukraine's borders was back in 1990? Independent countries had to be carved out from the corpse of the USSR, and how does one set their borders? Well, one convenient way would be to use some existing administrative boundary, and this Ukraine was created within the borders of the Ukrainian SSR... Except that it wasn't that easy. Even back then there as debate over what status Crimea should have. The region already was an autonomy, and even held elections and elected a president. And then got attached to Ukraine anyway and had its independence obliterated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Meshkov https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Meshkov
stareatgoats 2y ago
> "The others are irrational actors, crazies. We are the normal ones" Everyone believes this, not just those on "our" side. Geopolitics is currently best described as a forcefield, where a myriad of interests vie for influence at any cost. To believe that "the other side" is simply responding to the nefarious, expansionist ambitions of the west is not smelling the propaganda too. The good side is but one, the side that seeks to replace destructive, imperialist, selfish policies from all sides with cooperation and the rule of international law. That is unfortunately a fledgling position to take ATM. .