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I wouldn't want to work with anyone who thought an activity faker was a good idea. I also wouldn't want a work environment where someone would think they neede

by neilv 2y ago

I wouldn't want to work with anyone who thought an activity faker was a good idea. I also wouldn't want a work environment where someone would think they needed that. But this is really the least of behavioral problems at Wells Fargo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo#Lawsuits,_fines,_and_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo#Lawsuits,_fines,_a... The Feds could have a dedicated Wells Fargo Paddy-Wagon, running an express route for corporate HQ.

hammyhavoc 2y ago
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- RandomCitizen12 2y ago
  Nobody cares. You getting offended on behalf of other people who themselves may not be offended adds nothing to the conversation.
  - jimt1234 2y ago
    I care. I think a lot of people care about using language that isn't offensive or promotes asshole-ism. For example, the other day I heard my 7-year-old nephew say "wife beater", referring to one of those sleeveless undershirts. I've used that phrase for years, thinking nothing of it. But, do I want my 7-year-old nephew casually using the phrase "wife beater"? Nope. And, call me a libtard, but I don't think anyone should casually use the phrase "wife beater", including myself, as doing so just helps normalize beating on women.
    - hammyhavoc 2y ago
      The term "wife beater" isn't really in common use in the UK, but I do hear it in a lot of shows. I never thought to look it up, and I'm honestly surprised it's still said. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/wife-beater-shirt-domestic-abuse https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/wife-beater-shirt-domest...
    - quesera 2y ago
      I agree that no one should use that term -- but simply because it's ugly, not out of concern that it might normalize spousal abuse. It does not, and never has. If anything, it denigrates the subcultures in which the garment is popular. They probably don't need protection from language tut-tuts like us though. And ironically, I hear the term most frequently from women, many of whom are now married and so, are wives. Still, it grates every time.
  - hammyhavoc 2y ago
    I am Irish on both sides of the family and live in Liverpool. Do you speak for me? No, you don't. When my mum was born, there were still signs that said "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish", she remembers them vividly along with the problems they caused for her. The Troubles have been a big topic in our lifetimes, and there's still a lot of anti-Irish sentiment, even in Liverpool. My teens were ruined for being a redhead and there was never a single day I wasn't covered in bruises and cuts, and I was bullied out of education at sixteen and wanted to kill myself for who I was. Every day, I look in the mirror and can see my broken nose and facial scars from having the bridge of my spectacles punched into my nose when I was knocked unconscious and beaten by other pupils. I won't ever forget. I'm also Ashkenazi Jewish on both sides, Sudanese and Indigenous American, so if you'd like to continue gatekeeping my feelings, go ahead. I can guarantee it won't go well for you.
- dehrmann 2y ago
  Reminds me of an NYT story using that term in the context of the George Floyd protests. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/george-floyd-national-guard.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/george-floyd-national-...
- neilv 2y ago
  Sorry, I forgot the etymology of that one. I think I heard the term in a Netflix show last night. I hope no one was offended by my oops. As a descendant of Irish-American immigrants around time of the insult (see username), I'm aware that the group faced racism and injustice, but it doesn't come up. Some other groups obviously have faced worse in the US, and some continue to face injustice, and I guess I'm more sensitive to those.
  - vundercind 2y ago
    American with a “Mick” name here. I hereby grant license to use this term, as is my right.
  - LightFog 2y ago
    I wouldn’t sweat it - that phrase is used all the time in Ireland, which the author would know if they’d bothered asking some Irish people. There is even a well know Paddy Wagon bus tour company with a giant Leprechaun on the side - no one bats an eyelid.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Ok how about “Black Maria”?
- jbaber 2y ago
  As a kid, I heard they were called paddywagons because lots of the police were Irish immigrants which was borne out by all the Bugs Bunny cartoons I watched. Not really derogatory. OED says origin is uncertain. At this point, does "racist" just mean "involves group of people"?
  - jbaber 2y ago
    I suddenly realize the idea isn't that "Irish wagon" is offensive, it's that that word's a slur for Irish people.
    - hammyhavoc 2y ago
      Yep. The key thing is contextual intent, but it's important to not memoryhole the origins of words that might otherwise be best left firmly in the past. Not like we're short of ways to describe things.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      Even if it once was, I don't think it counts as a slur anymore.
- quesera 2y ago
  I think worrying about Irish discrimination in the US, in 2024, is misplaced. In Boston, the Irish cops call the police transport van the "Paddy wagon". I'm not going to argue with them.
autoexec 2y ago
It's not really clear from the article if the employees who were fired were faking activity/work or if they were just trying to keep their computers from locking.
neilv 2y ago
Musical reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8LHlJSBkg0&t=1m32s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8LHlJSBkg0&t=1m32s
Log_out_ 2y ago
At least the damage is localized, not a "invite to a meeting cause lol im bored"
water-data-dude 2y ago
Man, that list went on a LOT longer than I expected it to. I’m on a mobile device, so no scroll bar - I kept thinking that I must be nearing the end of the List of Horrible Things and being wrong. Also learned the term “redlining”. I know the answer is “they’re big and integrated into the financial system”, but still, how are they still in business?!?

by neilv 2y ago

hammyhavoc 2y ago

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RandomCitizen12 2y ago
Nobody cares. You getting offended on behalf of other people who themselves may not be offended adds nothing to the conversation.
- jimt1234 2y ago
  I care. I think a lot of people care about using language that isn't offensive or promotes asshole-ism. For example, the other day I heard my 7-year-old nephew say "wife beater", referring to one of those sleeveless undershirts. I've used that phrase for years, thinking nothing of it. But, do I want my 7-year-old nephew casually using the phrase "wife beater"? Nope. And, call me a libtard, but I don't think anyone should casually use the phrase "wife beater", including myself, as doing so just helps normalize beating on women.
  - hammyhavoc 2y ago
    The term "wife beater" isn't really in common use in the UK, but I do hear it in a lot of shows. I never thought to look it up, and I'm honestly surprised it's still said. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/wife-beater-shirt-domestic-abuse https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/wife-beater-shirt-domest...
  - quesera 2y ago
    I agree that no one should use that term -- but simply because it's ugly, not out of concern that it might normalize spousal abuse. It does not, and never has. If anything, it denigrates the subcultures in which the garment is popular. They probably don't need protection from language tut-tuts like us though. And ironically, I hear the term most frequently from women, many of whom are now married and so, are wives. Still, it grates every time.
- hammyhavoc 2y ago
  I am Irish on both sides of the family and live in Liverpool. Do you speak for me? No, you don't. When my mum was born, there were still signs that said "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish", she remembers them vividly along with the problems they caused for her. The Troubles have been a big topic in our lifetimes, and there's still a lot of anti-Irish sentiment, even in Liverpool. My teens were ruined for being a redhead and there was never a single day I wasn't covered in bruises and cuts, and I was bullied out of education at sixteen and wanted to kill myself for who I was. Every day, I look in the mirror and can see my broken nose and facial scars from having the bridge of my spectacles punched into my nose when I was knocked unconscious and beaten by other pupils. I won't ever forget. I'm also Ashkenazi Jewish on both sides, Sudanese and Indigenous American, so if you'd like to continue gatekeeping my feelings, go ahead. I can guarantee it won't go well for you.
dehrmann 2y ago
Reminds me of an NYT story using that term in the context of the George Floyd protests. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/george-floyd-national-guard.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/george-floyd-national-...
neilv 2y ago
Sorry, I forgot the etymology of that one. I think I heard the term in a Netflix show last night. I hope no one was offended by my oops. As a descendant of Irish-American immigrants around time of the insult (see username), I'm aware that the group faced racism and injustice, but it doesn't come up. Some other groups obviously have faced worse in the US, and some continue to face injustice, and I guess I'm more sensitive to those.
- vundercind 2y ago
  American with a “Mick” name here. I hereby grant license to use this term, as is my right.
- LightFog 2y ago
  I wouldn’t sweat it - that phrase is used all the time in Ireland, which the author would know if they’d bothered asking some Irish people. There is even a well know Paddy Wagon bus tour company with a giant Leprechaun on the side - no one bats an eyelid.
selimthegrim 2y ago
Ok how about “Black Maria”?
jbaber 2y ago
As a kid, I heard they were called paddywagons because lots of the police were Irish immigrants which was borne out by all the Bugs Bunny cartoons I watched. Not really derogatory. OED says origin is uncertain. At this point, does "racist" just mean "involves group of people"?
- jbaber 2y ago
  I suddenly realize the idea isn't that "Irish wagon" is offensive, it's that that word's a slur for Irish people.
  - hammyhavoc 2y ago
    Yep. The key thing is contextual intent, but it's important to not memoryhole the origins of words that might otherwise be best left firmly in the past. Not like we're short of ways to describe things.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    Even if it once was, I don't think it counts as a slur anymore.
quesera 2y ago
I think worrying about Irish discrimination in the US, in 2024, is misplaced. In Boston, the Irish cops call the police transport van the "Paddy wagon". I'm not going to argue with them.

autoexec 2y ago

It's not really clear from the article if the employees who were fired were faking activity/work or if they were just trying to keep their computers from locking.

neilv 2y ago

Musical reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8LHlJSBkg0&t=1m32s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8LHlJSBkg0&t=1m32s

Log_out_ 2y ago

At least the damage is localized, not a "invite to a meeting cause lol im bored"

water-data-dude 2y ago

Man, that list went on a LOT longer than I expected it to. I’m on a mobile device, so no scroll bar - I kept thinking that I must be nearing the end of the List of Horrible Things and being wrong. Also learned the term “redlining”. I know the answer is “they’re big and integrated into the financial system”, but still, how are they still in business?!?