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Wells Fargo Fires Over a Dozen for 'Simulation of Keyboard Activity'
- scrlk 2y agohttps://archive.ph/WVdjx https://archive.ph/WVdjx
- bluetidepro 2y agoHow do you get these links, do you have a step by step by any chance? I feel like I've tried to get them on my own and they never seen to work or be a short link like this. Thanks in advance!
- thedigitalone 2y agohttps://archive.is/ https://archive.is/ https://ghostarchive.org/ https://ghostarchive.org/ Are the sites you are looking for.
- dredmorbius 2y agoAmongst other options, the !ais bang search on DDG will either turn up an existing archive of an article or web page, or start the dialogue for creating one yourself. Archive.Today takes up to 5--10 minutes to fully complete an archive, as it's waiting for all of numerous related page requests to complete, as opposed to a local browser session which makes a best-guess effort at rendering a page with only partial completion of downloads. Capacity and queue length also seem to be factors here. The !wayback bang will search or create Internet Archive pages, though this is less successful at byapassing paywalls, as with Bloomberg. Ghostarchive doesn't seem to have a bang at this point.
- shortrounddev2 2y agoWhen I interview for remote jobs, I increasingly ask about this kind of surveillance. I ask them if this is the kind of remote job where I'm required to be at my desk 8 hours a day straight or if it's more flexible
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoThis. Some days I work one hour. Other days I work from sunrise to sunset. I'm always available during office hours, but I'm not going to be surveilled in my own home. If I'm doing my job, let me keep it, and if not, tell me how to improve, but I am not a rat for some middle manager to prod to justify his salary. If my well-done work is not good enough for an employer, than we are an impasse that will not be resolved, and there are plenty of other places to work.
- tennisflyi 2y agoBetter be shit hot or you'll be in the difficult category
- ano-ther 2y agoIt seems like most of these devices (example: https://hackaday.com/?p=683252 https://hackaday.com/?p=683252) have a fixed and unusual USB vendor+product ID that will surely come up in the system log.
- lxgr 2y agoPeople could always just use a device that physically moves the mouse around or pushes a button on the keyboard instead. Companies could of course react by requiring employees to solve a captcha every once in a while to work around that, but here's a controversial thought: What if the "proof of work" that companies use to "detect employee presence" was just... Actually accomplished work? That should solve the problem at the correct layer. Unless, of course, objectives and goals are poorly defined, and requiring that would result in huge embarrassment to the management layers above the mouse wigglers.
- vundercind 2y agoWhat’s going to happen is they’re gonna ask a Microsoft-provided AI whether employees’ data from Microsoft Recall looks like work, on a scale, and fire the lowest percent or two of that scale every quarter. If running it over data from all the days is too expensive, they’ll pick a day or two to sample and you’ll be retained or fired based on that. At least I’ve been assuming that’s the main reason MS is making Recall. To issue spyware-reports on corporate workers.
- whatnotests2 2y ago[flagged]
- electrondood 2y agoThe issue here isn't the employee behavior. It's that Wells Fargo imposed an idiotic culture where employees felt this was necessary.
- inhumantsar 2y agoGoodhart's Law at work. I don't agree with measuring keyboard activity in the first place, but if some place is going to measure it and employees know that measurement is happening, then it's guaranteed that some of them will game it.
- cm2187 2y ago[flagged]
- underseacables 2y agoAnd yet no Wells Fargo executives went to jail for opening real bank accounts for people who didn't ask for them, and other crimes.
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoThe employees fucked up by screwing over the shareholders instead of the working class. Common mistake.
- barnabee 2y agoIf the only indicator that these employees "needed" to go was the simulated keyboard activity then either: a) the employees met all required KPIs and delivered well and were just meeting some dumb policy while actually being totally fine, and therefore shouldn't have been fired; or b) the company has literally no way to tell if someone is actually useful and many of the people not using such devices could easily be far worse performaers. In either case, firing someone based on this sort of monitoring or information should be illegal.
- mlhpdx 2y ago> firing someone based on this sort of monitoring or information should be illegal. What would be a justifiable (won't get me in jail) firing in your mind?
- Youden 2y agoConsistently failing to meet KPIs.
- YetAnotherNick 2y agoDo people directly work on the KPIs on your org? As in there is individual KPI for each person without any outside blocker etc.? And is the KPI so evenly distributed to each team member? What about other unknowns in the KPI. At least in the companies I worked with, KPIs are manager/lead level items and it is divided into tasks that is handed out to individual team member.
- ziddoap 2y agoNot meeting the job description requirements, failing to deliver, consecutively under-performing KPIs, etc.
- NewJazz 2y agoMy KPI is how much keyboard mashing my monkeys do! More keyboard mashing brings us closer to writing Shakespeare!
- tracker1 2y agoUsing a mouse jiggler, as I'm on meetings most of the day, and inactivity timeout is 5m, so that while looking at the screen it'll lock up and takes almost a minute to come back up (external connection to docked, closed macbook). Mac just sucks at recovering with an external display and the laptop closed. Not "pretending" anything... just one pain over another. edit: For clarity, it's a relatively locked down system, and even then, I'm generally connected to a remote Windows based VM for working "inside" a secured and more locked down environment. I can't use a software solution for this.
- lancesells 2y agoMaybe this might help? https://www.caffeine-app.net https://www.caffeine-app.net
- accrual 2y agoI haven't used Caffeine but used the very similar app Amphetamine and found it worked great. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12
- skunkworker 2y agomacOS has `caffeinate` built in as well. https://ss64.com/mac/caffeinate.html https://ss64.com/mac/caffeinate.html
- fingerlocks 2y agoThis will not show you as active. Teams and Slack and check the presence of HID events. If you have Xcode/swift installed you can script this instead: #!/usr/bin/swift import Foundation import AppKit let source = CGEventSource(stateID: CGEventSourceStateID.hidSystemState) CGEvent(keyboardEventSource: source, virtualKey: 0x37, keyDown: true)?.post(tap: .cghidEventTap) CGEvent(keyboardEventSource: source, virtualKey: 0x37, keyDown: false)?.post(tap: .cghidEventTap) This simulates one press/depress of the command key (0x37). The rest of the key codes can be found in Events.h in the location of your MacOS SDK library (deep in Xcode usually). Add it to a cron job or whatever.
- elpakal 2y ago`caffeinate -d` keeps my corporate mandated screensaver and forced sleep timeout from happening, which usually suck to recover from.
- bloopernova 2y agoIt feels like a draconian security/monitoring department would have a problem with the caffeine app just as much as a USB jiggler dongle. I hate the macOS wakeup too, it's way too slow.
- generic92034 2y agoTrue. It sounds better on the innocence/plausible deniability side to just use a tool in the regular corporate environment to get the presentation flag set. For example, viewing a .PPT in presentation mode, then using "Hide presenter view", seems promising.
- elpakal 2y agoI would consider our security tooling draconian yet they haven't said anything about this. And I've been using it for about 2 years
- neilv 2y agoI wouldn't want to work with anyone who thought an activity faker was a good idea. I also wouldn't want a work environment where someone would think they needed that. But this is really the least of behavioral problems at Wells Fargo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo#Lawsuits,_fines,_and_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo#Lawsuits,_fines,_a... The Feds could have a dedicated Wells Fargo Paddy-Wagon, running an express route for corporate HQ.
- hammyhavoc 2y ago[flagged]
- RandomCitizen12 2y agoNobody cares. You getting offended on behalf of other people who themselves may not be offended adds nothing to the conversation.
- jimt1234 2y agoI care. I think a lot of people care about using language that isn't offensive or promotes asshole-ism. For example, the other day I heard my 7-year-old nephew say "wife beater", referring to one of those sleeveless undershirts. I've used that phrase for years, thinking nothing of it. But, do I want my 7-year-old nephew casually using the phrase "wife beater"? Nope. And, call me a libtard, but I don't think anyone should casually use the phrase "wife beater", including myself, as doing so just helps normalize beating on women.
- hammyhavoc 2y agoThe term "wife beater" isn't really in common use in the UK, but I do hear it in a lot of shows. I never thought to look it up, and I'm honestly surprised it's still said. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/wife-beater-shirt-domestic-abuse https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/wife-beater-shirt-domest...
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- greentxt 2y agoI can't even begin to fathom a world where such things exist. Maybe I need to get out more.
- bloopernova 2y agoCorporate IT gets told to keep workstations secure, they set a timeout way too low, people get frustrated.
- autoexec 2y agoExactly. The problem employees here weren't the ones moving their mice, it was the IT department who were annoying the employees by constantly locking them out of their machines.
- mlhpdx 2y agoThe previous flight of employees from this part of WF due to unethical activity might suggest those remaining made a choice (perhaps a difficult one, unless they were oblivious). In a situation where someone stayed because they really needed the job, yet the clients have left in droves, keeping-up the appearance of being needed/busy might sound tempting. I'm definitely not for it, or agreeing with the choice, but I can understand how it might happen. It isn't necessarily that they were being entirely awful (predatory toward their employer).
- MoSattler 2y ago> Wells Fargo holds employees to the highest standards. I wonder if they also compensate them to the highest standards.
- thimkerbell 2y agoWhere do you report odd and possibly deceptive activity by an employee of your financial institution?
- prmoustache 2y agoI guess Wells Fargo should have fired all their employees, not only those gaming it, if they have absolutely no trust in them. Only a company using slaves should reach such a low level of company culture.