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> they simply did not like this particular plane. …and employed a face-saving (though probably very expensive) way of communicating it.

by FabHK 2y ago

pfannkuchen 2y ago
I suspect the face saving culture is holding China back significantly since it adds a ton of noise to interpersonal signal propagation. I wonder if the government is doing anything social engineering-y to try to reduce it?
- kstrauser 2y ago
  The government is among the worst of the culprits. “We’re being accused of doing a bad thing? I know! Arrest the speaker and erase it from our version of the Internet!”
- jgalt212 2y ago
  seriously. Look at the Kardashians. They turned every embarrassing event into a money making opportunity.
  - RobotToaster 2y ago
    You think the Kardashians are a good model for government?
    - jgalt212 2y ago
      Of course not. I meant it as an extreme counter-example.
- RobotToaster 2y ago
  > I wonder if the government is doing anything social engineering-y to try to reduce it? I know Xi Jinping launching an anti-corruption program was considered a pretty big deal, because it meant admitting that corruption exists in the CPC.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    That isn’t true though. All presidents launch anti corruption campaigns to solidify their power when they start. Xi did it, Hu did it, Jiang did it, I bet Deng did it (although the office was merged yet, he was at least supreme leader). When they are all corrupt, it is easy to (a) clean house of people you don’t like (b) protect and promote your supporters and (c) scare lots of monkeys by killing lots of chickens. The CPC always admitted there was corruption, to do otherwise would simply lose credibility with people. Given that Xi is now president for life, the corruption should simply be accumulating now since the 10 year house cleaning cycle has been broken.
marcus0x62 2y ago
I think this was way more calculated than that. They made up an issue they knew would be taken very seriously and that would be difficult - in the best of circumstances - to disprove.

> they simply did not like this particular plane. …and employed a face-saving (though probably very expensive) way of communicating it.

by FabHK 2y ago

> they simply did not like this particular plane. …and employed a face-saving (though probably very expensive) way of communicating it.

pfannkuchen 2y ago

I suspect the face saving culture is holding China back significantly since it adds a ton of noise to interpersonal signal propagation. I wonder if the government is doing anything social engineering-y to try to reduce it?

kstrauser 2y ago
The government is among the worst of the culprits. “We’re being accused of doing a bad thing? I know! Arrest the speaker and erase it from our version of the Internet!”
jgalt212 2y ago
seriously. Look at the Kardashians. They turned every embarrassing event into a money making opportunity.
- RobotToaster 2y ago
  You think the Kardashians are a good model for government?
  - jgalt212 2y ago
    Of course not. I meant it as an extreme counter-example.
RobotToaster 2y ago
> I wonder if the government is doing anything social engineering-y to try to reduce it? I know Xi Jinping launching an anti-corruption program was considered a pretty big deal, because it meant admitting that corruption exists in the CPC.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  That isn’t true though. All presidents launch anti corruption campaigns to solidify their power when they start. Xi did it, Hu did it, Jiang did it, I bet Deng did it (although the office was merged yet, he was at least supreme leader). When they are all corrupt, it is easy to (a) clean house of people you don’t like (b) protect and promote your supporters and (c) scare lots of monkeys by killing lots of chickens. The CPC always admitted there was corruption, to do otherwise would simply lose credibility with people. Given that Xi is now president for life, the corruption should simply be accumulating now since the 10 year house cleaning cycle has been broken.

marcus0x62 2y ago

I think this was way more calculated than that. They made up an issue they knew would be taken very seriously and that would be difficult - in the best of circumstances - to disprove.