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The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza
- gnabgib 2y agoArticle title: The ingenious ‘network tree’ defying Gaza's connectivity blockade https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- myth_drannon 2y ago[flagged]
- lawlessone 2y agoI dunno, when it get's to the point that even Piers Morgan is questioning the narrative from the IOF, I am inclined to think maybe you are wrong.
- js212 2y ago[flagged]
- chimineycricket 2y agoIf they don't want to supply local populations with aid and food, they shouldn't block aid and food from going in.
- js212 2y ago[flagged]
- js212 2y agoThe only one blocking aid right now is Egypt in the Rafa crossing. Israel is literally bringing in aid themselves again what other country warns a civilian population before it attacks? Does Russia warn Ukraine civilians?
- Hikikomori 2y agoDid they warn the Rafah refugee camp before bombing and killing 40+?
- Hikikomori 2y agoYou couldn't come up with something to blame the children in the refugee bombing huh?
- js212 2y agoNo I got banned
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- solarpunk 2y agothis is pretty neat, reminds me of cuba's meshnet system. i was wondering how all the efforts to buy gazan's eSIMs was going, this seems to be one of the results.
- rl3 2y ago>i was wondering how all the efforts to buy gazan's eSIMs was going, this seems to be one of the results. The eSIM stuff terrifies me, because you know damn well they're feeding that data into their intelligence apparatus for targeting purposes, and recent history has shown thus far that they don't give much of a shit about collateral damage. I highly suspect that nearby cellular activity increases the chances of being injured or killed by an airstrike.
- aspenmayer 2y agoSome eSIM resources for you and the group: Anonymous eSIM with no KYC https://silent.link/ https://silent.link/ Anatomy of the eSIM profile https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcon2024-174-anatomy-of-the-esim-profile https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcon2024-174-anatomy-of-the-esi... Exploring eUICCs and eSIMS using pySim, lpac and osmo-smdpp https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcall-20240117-laforce-euicc-esim https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcall-20240117-laforce-euicc-es... A Look at eSIMs and Number Hijacking https://intel471.com/blog/a-look-at-esims-and-number-hijacking https://intel471.com/blog/a-look-at-esims-and-number-hijacki...
- immibis 2y agoIt doesn't matter. Every phone is a candidate for targeting. They don't have to know who owns it.
- aspenmayer 2y agoI agree, and don’t dispute that.
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- dmbche 2y agoIt's not extremely clear to me - they manage to put phones with Esim where there is signal and set up a hotspot for other phones? Or do they maintain hotspots near the border for the people in Gaza to conect to? Or a mix of both?
- solarpunk 2y agoseems like a mix of both.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoYes essentially they put the phones up high enough to get Israeli or Egyptian signal (since Israel shut off the Palestinian one), then the phone uses its hotspot to connect to nearby phones.
- solarpunk 2y agoI went to the NGO to see if there any further technical specifications to read about, it doesn't seem so: https://www.acs-italia.it/gazaweb-e-gli-alberi-della-rete/ https://www.acs-italia.it/gazaweb-e-gli-alberi-della-rete/ it seems to be purely built upon cellular connectivity and hotspots! I'm shocked there's no meshnet stuff involved here, but I suppose we can't see much details beyond the backbone, last-mile connectivity methods are probably extremely hodgepodge.
- localfirst 2y agoI wonder if something like this will become more prolific sort of like the rise of private gated suburban cities that has their own unrestricted internet jurisdiction vs the public facilities that overtime become ghettos with their own web trees capable of evading surveillance (by the group that wakes up every morning worried about losing it all to the people outside the fence). Often wars are frontiers for societal shifts that arises from new technological inventions/adaptations. What we are seeing in Gaza very may well become a reality in the West in the future: a divorce of a globally connected world into its own islands that can only be accessed via physical proximity or like in my earlier example, socioeconomic class, even by ethnicity.
- pphysch 2y agoI've never seen "Gazzawi" used before as a demonym instead of Gazan.
- Bilal_io 2y agoIt's the Arabic version of Gazan.
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- hiddencost 2y agoI mean Israel should withdraw, sign the peace deal to get the hostages free, send Netanyahu and Gallant to the ICJ, and pay reparations to rebuild Gaza. That can take a 3% discount, for the October 7 attacks, given that they've taken at least 30 civilian lives for every one they lost.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoYes I think if the walls between Gaza and Israel came down it would be a moment like the taking down of the Berlin wall. Two people, ruled by the same government, finally experiencing the same rights, same freedoms, same status, etc. How to tear down that wall without the extremists trying to kill their "enemies" on each side first, that no one has the answer to
- woodruffw 2y agoRegardless of your outlook on I/P, I don't think either side agrees that they currently do (or particularly want to) share the same government. (That's not to assert my own view. But to compare it to the Berlin Wall seems faulty.)
- maybelsyrup 2y ago> the telecommunications infrastructure has been severely damaged Distal to the tech here but man, once you see the passive voice vs active voice stuff on this issue, you really can't un-see it. Astounding. Edit: finished the article. The tech here really is stunning -- like, the ratio of ingenuity to resources is insane.
- TaylorAlexander 2y agoCan confirm can’t unsee it! And you realize it’s used a lot. If Russia destroys infrastructure in Ukraine, our news says “Ukrainians adapted after the Russian military destroyed their networks”. When the IDF destroys Gazan networks, the story is “Gazans adapted after their networks were destroyed”. Same thing happens with police shootings. “A stray bullet killed a child during police encounter” is a common type of headline. “Police officer shoots kid” is less common.
- bradrn 2y ago> “A stray bullet killed a child during police encounter” To be pedantic, this isn’t passive voice at all. See Pullum on this particular misconception: http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.html http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.html
- TaylorAlexander 2y agoOh good point! Thanks for the note.
- bradrn 2y agoYou’re welcome!
- immibis 2y agoI believe political judgements are against the Hacker News guidelines as I've been reprimanded for making them in the past. Your comment should be removed by the moderators. If you'd said it about Ukraine/Russia, it wouldn't be removed.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoI wonder why this is not a situation where Starlink could have been deployed?
- lazyasciiart 2y agoa) lack of shipping resources, electricity, etc b) which people are reluctant to waste on something that will instantly be a visible target and probably last about five minutes c) Musk is on Netanyahu's side https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/28/elon-musks-israel-trip-what-was-the-purpose-what-did-he-tell-netanyahu https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/28/elon-musks-israel-...
- aprilthird2021 2y agoThat's very unfortunate that he allows Netanyahu of all people in the world to allow whether 2 million people should be able to access Internet
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- anArbitraryOne 2y agoVague acronyms are a pleasure as well
- smegsicle 2y agowhat do you think it could mean? point of sale? people of shekel?
- anArbitraryOne 2y agohttps://www.acronymfinder.com/POS.html https://www.acronymfinder.com/POS.html
- mrtksn 2y agoAh this reminds of Cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEplzHraw3c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEplzHraw3c I bet everywhere with restricted internet something of this sort exists. It also reminds the tech startup scene in Gaza, when I was browsing Google Maps to see what kind of economy they have there I recall stumbling upon startup schools. It's fascinating to browse the maps and see familiar things on places you wouldn't expect , I wish the best both to Gazans and the Israeli. Anyway, just for a bit of humanisation of the people there, here is a spontaneous street performans by a Gazan dancer in Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSLR6uKTZX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSLR6uKTZX4 It's one of the most beautiful things I've seen. Notice how she transforms from fathers little girl into this elegant creature the moment she makes her first move? I think people completely transform into another persona when the assume a role and in this video you can see the transformation. IMHO a similar transformation happens when people have a connection to an environment outside of theirs, therefore this stuff is important for things beyond the practical needs.
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- BuildTheRobots 2y agoWhere's the technical details for how this works? Are they just broadcasting wifi hotspots?