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>Nobody wants to go up against a very charismatic phony in what will almost certainly turn into a battle of wits instead of a battle of facts. There's a differ

>Nobody wants to go up against a very charismatic phony in what will almost certainly turn into a battle of wits instead of a battle of facts. There's a difference between somebody bullshitting at a party and doing so in a professional setting. I've seen several baffling instances of universities taking years to investigate obvious things and then in the end effectively doing nothing. Like really clear falsification situations that should just get several people fired and other people sanctioned for not noticing. https://www.science.org/content/article/researchers-plan-retract-landmark-alzheimers-paper-containing-doctored-images https://www.science.org/content/article/researchers-plan-ret... Like here, there's people there who should just be booted from the university. It took two years for anybody to even retract the paper. The professor in question had several black marks for what I'd call fraud, and yet still hold a position at the University of Minnesota. Which at this point isn't the researcher's fault but the university's.

lukan 2y ago
"There's a difference between somebody bullshitting at a party and doing so in a professional setting." It is, but I would say the people in the former basket, are also likely to be found in the second basket.
- consp 2y ago
  Most people bullshit at parties, either by embellishing or by exaggeration. It might not always be about their profession but it is a storytelling technique to make their story more interesting. It's a poor indicator I'd argue.
  - lukan 2y ago
    "Most people bullshit at parties" Many do, but not most. At least not at the parties I attend. And in my experience, it is a strong indicator. Some might manage, to vent out everything BS at parties, but for most their general attitude about appreciation for truth will show in a private setting just as it will show in a professional one. In the professional setting people just care more about hiding that BS.
  - huygens6363 2y ago
    It’s their willingness to make up shit to appear more interesting that is at the heart of this. Being interesting or rather, being perceived as interesting, is core to their personality and they think that’s normal, but it is not. I don’t know about “everybody”. It depends on your circle I guess. I know very few of these people and none of my friends are like that. I don’t give a shit about being interesting and nobody I value does either.
avereveard 2y ago
> and other people sanctioned for not noticing. This is often by design by the fraudster, if one can compromise enough their own governing body, the people in there will need to protect the fraudster out of self preservation.

lukan 2y ago

"There's a difference between somebody bullshitting at a party and doing so in a professional setting." It is, but I would say the people in the former basket, are also likely to be found in the second basket.

consp 2y ago
Most people bullshit at parties, either by embellishing or by exaggeration. It might not always be about their profession but it is a storytelling technique to make their story more interesting. It's a poor indicator I'd argue.
- lukan 2y ago
  "Most people bullshit at parties" Many do, but not most. At least not at the parties I attend. And in my experience, it is a strong indicator. Some might manage, to vent out everything BS at parties, but for most their general attitude about appreciation for truth will show in a private setting just as it will show in a professional one. In the professional setting people just care more about hiding that BS.
- huygens6363 2y ago
  It’s their willingness to make up shit to appear more interesting that is at the heart of this. Being interesting or rather, being perceived as interesting, is core to their personality and they think that’s normal, but it is not. I don’t know about “everybody”. It depends on your circle I guess. I know very few of these people and none of my friends are like that. I don’t give a shit about being interesting and nobody I value does either.

avereveard 2y ago

> and other people sanctioned for not noticing. This is often by design by the fraudster, if one can compromise enough their own governing body, the people in there will need to protect the fraudster out of self preservation.