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They are not all in bad faith. Maybe it depends on the company. Once I had a really bad family issue. Won't go into it, but I took a bunch of time off. Comi

They are not all in bad faith. Maybe it depends on the company. Once I had a really bad family issue. Won't go into it, but I took a bunch of time off. Coming back to work, I wasn't fully engaged, because there was a lot of chaos. So I got put on a pip. My manager did this in good faith. He gave me a bunch of things to do, a bunch of milestones to meet, deadlines. Honestly, it was a lifeline I needed. And better, I didn't have to guess on schedule, make promises on tight deadlines. So I worked specifically to the milestones. Helped people after things were done. Didn't take on extra, but added it to my notes. And I got through it. Now I was worried. Was this just gathering evidence for something inevitable. Was it pre-decided? I just took it on good faith, did the work, and when I accomplished the goals, I was off the pip. I was good after that. I think I'm better for it. (that said, I've been told a second pip might be impossible to pull off)

ugh123 2y ago
But was that really a pip? A "pip" in corporate culture is typically also combined with a chat with HR and official documentation written by, for, and with HR.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  Nothing about what they said indicated otherwise. I have every expectation that HR was at least notified. This feels like a no true Scotsman argument in the making. “PIPs are just the bad ones, everything else is just managerial guidance”.
- russelldjimmy 2y ago
  It seems to fit the definition of a PIP. If you’ve defined that every PIP must be a bad faith one, and this is not one of them, it doesn’t stop it from being a PIP.
- throw141292 2y ago
  This was an official pip. No specific meeting with an HR person, but htey were involved. There was paperwork, formal list of goals/expectations, timeline, I had to agree. There was an evaluation, there was an end date.

ugh123 2y ago

But was that really a pip? A "pip" in corporate culture is typically also combined with a chat with HR and official documentation written by, for, and with HR.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
Nothing about what they said indicated otherwise. I have every expectation that HR was at least notified. This feels like a no true Scotsman argument in the making. “PIPs are just the bad ones, everything else is just managerial guidance”.
russelldjimmy 2y ago
It seems to fit the definition of a PIP. If you’ve defined that every PIP must be a bad faith one, and this is not one of them, it doesn’t stop it from being a PIP.
throw141292 2y ago
This was an official pip. No specific meeting with an HR person, but htey were involved. There was paperwork, formal list of goals/expectations, timeline, I had to agree. There was an evaluation, there was an end date.