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"in the hopes of bankrupting them" Where do you get that idea? How exactly were they entitled to his $1B donation?

by xcv123 2y ago

stale2002 2y ago
> How exactly were they entitled to his $1B donation? They weren't. But neither is Musk entitled to anything from OpenAI and the lawsuit was BS. He pulled his donation because he wasn't given total control, and now he is being a sore loser about it with a failed lawsuit.
- xcv123 2y ago
  Fair enough. But I would do the same if I were in his shoes just out of spite for selling out to Microsoft. Sue them for everything they are worth.
  - KerrAvon 2y ago
    You too may be laughed out of court, then. IANAL, but your feelings aren't the law.
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    But he isn’t. He was just stroking his own ego. It was always bullshit.
  - stale2002 2y ago
    Them having to sell out to microsoft is directly Elon's fault though! Like, you can't just directly cause the bad thing to happen with your actions, and then cry about it when someone goes to a different group for funding. If Elon didn't want the microsoft deal to happen then he shouldn't have reneged on his funding promise just because they refused to give up complete control to him.
    - xcv123 2y ago
      Elon offered funding. OpenAI declined the offer then signed a deal with Microsoft. Elon did not force them to choose Microsoft. It was simply a disagreement. After they signed up with Microsoft, Elon tried to get some of his money back. Didn't work. Too bad. Now he can move on with his life.
      - qarl 2y ago
        Well - except Elon offered the funding without the contingency of being CEO. It was when he demanded it that they went their separate ways. > Elon did not force them to choose Microsoft. By rescinding his offer, he did force them to make drastic changes in order to get new funding. > Now he can move on with his life. Are you familiar with Elon?
      - stale2002 2y ago
        > It was simply a disagreement. Ok great. Then that means that any complaints from Elon about selling out are completely invalid, and it makes no sense for him to be mad about such a simple disagreement. > Now he can move on with his life. That would be wonderful. Unfortunately you were the person arguing that it was somehow deserved for him to sue. It is not deserved because he was the one who cause them to sell out to Microsoft. That is the point. The point is that you can't directly cause the supposedly bad action to happen, and then claim that you have been morally wronged when someone gets funding elsewhere. If you think that it was merely a disagreement, then fine. Your previous arguments are invalid where you try to claim that this is some huge sellout situation, when it is directly Elons fault.
IgorPartola 2y ago
The person you are replying to said nothing about being entitled to the money. You are moving goal posts. This is the equivalent of me coming to you and promising you money so that you can pull off a risky business move, then at the critical moment when I don’t like something pulling that money. Sure I might be entitled to do that as it is my money, but it’s a dick move and would certainly leave you holding the bag.
- xcv123 2y ago
  "it’s a dick move" implies that you are somehow entitled to that money. Otherwise it's a fair move. It is extremely delusional to expect to receive $1 billion dollars unconditionally.
  - bcrosby95 2y ago
    As my dad used to say: being an asshole isn't illegal.
    - xcv123 2y ago
      They declined to give Elon Musk control when he offered them a billion to save the company. Instead they turned around and gave up control to Microsoft for billions. Do you honestly believe that if you were in Elon Musks shoes, that you would have given away a billion dollars without any conditions? How would you feel when you saw them turn around and sell out to Microsoft instead? Expecting $1B unconditionally seems like an asshole expectation. Delusional and childish entitlement. Do you believe that Microsoft has donated billions to OpenAI unconditionally?
      - adventured 2y ago
        > How would you feel when you saw them turn around and sell out to Microsoft instead? They did not give up control to Microsoft. If that were true, the Apple deal (which Microsoft opposed) would not have just happened.

"in the hopes of bankrupting them" Where do you get that idea? How exactly were they entitled to his $1B donation?

by xcv123 2y ago

"in the hopes of bankrupting them" Where do you get that idea? How exactly were they entitled to his $1B donation?

stale2002 2y ago

> How exactly were they entitled to his $1B donation? They weren't. But neither is Musk entitled to anything from OpenAI and the lawsuit was BS. He pulled his donation because he wasn't given total control, and now he is being a sore loser about it with a failed lawsuit.

xcv123 2y ago
Fair enough. But I would do the same if I were in his shoes just out of spite for selling out to Microsoft. Sue them for everything they are worth.
- KerrAvon 2y ago
  You too may be laughed out of court, then. IANAL, but your feelings aren't the law.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  But he isn’t. He was just stroking his own ego. It was always bullshit.
- stale2002 2y ago
  Them having to sell out to microsoft is directly Elon's fault though! Like, you can't just directly cause the bad thing to happen with your actions, and then cry about it when someone goes to a different group for funding. If Elon didn't want the microsoft deal to happen then he shouldn't have reneged on his funding promise just because they refused to give up complete control to him.
  - xcv123 2y ago
    Elon offered funding. OpenAI declined the offer then signed a deal with Microsoft. Elon did not force them to choose Microsoft. It was simply a disagreement. After they signed up with Microsoft, Elon tried to get some of his money back. Didn't work. Too bad. Now he can move on with his life.
    - qarl 2y ago
      Well - except Elon offered the funding without the contingency of being CEO. It was when he demanded it that they went their separate ways. > Elon did not force them to choose Microsoft. By rescinding his offer, he did force them to make drastic changes in order to get new funding. > Now he can move on with his life. Are you familiar with Elon?
    - stale2002 2y ago
      > It was simply a disagreement. Ok great. Then that means that any complaints from Elon about selling out are completely invalid, and it makes no sense for him to be mad about such a simple disagreement. > Now he can move on with his life. That would be wonderful. Unfortunately you were the person arguing that it was somehow deserved for him to sue. It is not deserved because he was the one who cause them to sell out to Microsoft. That is the point. The point is that you can't directly cause the supposedly bad action to happen, and then claim that you have been morally wronged when someone gets funding elsewhere. If you think that it was merely a disagreement, then fine. Your previous arguments are invalid where you try to claim that this is some huge sellout situation, when it is directly Elons fault.

IgorPartola 2y ago

The person you are replying to said nothing about being entitled to the money. You are moving goal posts. This is the equivalent of me coming to you and promising you money so that you can pull off a risky business move, then at the critical moment when I don’t like something pulling that money. Sure I might be entitled to do that as it is my money, but it’s a dick move and would certainly leave you holding the bag.

xcv123 2y ago
"it’s a dick move" implies that you are somehow entitled to that money. Otherwise it's a fair move. It is extremely delusional to expect to receive $1 billion dollars unconditionally.
- bcrosby95 2y ago
  As my dad used to say: being an asshole isn't illegal.
  - xcv123 2y ago
    They declined to give Elon Musk control when he offered them a billion to save the company. Instead they turned around and gave up control to Microsoft for billions. Do you honestly believe that if you were in Elon Musks shoes, that you would have given away a billion dollars without any conditions? How would you feel when you saw them turn around and sell out to Microsoft instead? Expecting $1B unconditionally seems like an asshole expectation. Delusional and childish entitlement. Do you believe that Microsoft has donated billions to OpenAI unconditionally?
    - adventured 2y ago
      > How would you feel when you saw them turn around and sell out to Microsoft instead? They did not give up control to Microsoft. If that were true, the Apple deal (which Microsoft opposed) would not have just happened.