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Transfer of information not using the existing senses.

loceng 2y ago
Is intuition a sense - or is that potentially some people excelling at reading physical cues that 99.999999% of people can't see or relate to what someone is then likely thinking?
- Waterluvian 2y ago
  Intuition isn’t a sense. There’s no data being measured. Intuition is a processing and synthesizing of past and sometimes presently sensed data into some meaning. When I understand “sense” in this context I’m understanding “sensor.” A sensor is measuring something. I think the closest I can get to telepathy without it being a completely wild paradigm shift in understanding is if we could implant technology directly into our brains, thus introducing new sensors.
  - loceng 2y ago
    There are "famous" people on YouTube who seem very telepathic-psychic - but I suppose people would really only become a believer if they have an anecdotal experience themselves that defies all odds.
    - Waterluvian 2y ago
      If it’s real, it will survive scrutiny and people will believe the evidence.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      There are all kinds of famous people, on Youtube and elsewhere, that believe (or claim to believe) the most absurd things. Why would that matter in the slightest, especially given that their purported abilities all seem to flee to another dimension as soon as they're under scientific evaluation?
  - autorizo 2y ago
    Intuition i think much more data driven than you say. I think probably it’s just subconscious calculations
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    - ErigmolCt 2y ago
      I think you're absolutely right. Intuition can be understood as a form of subconscious calculation.
- ErigmolCt 2y ago
  I think emotions play a significant role in intuition.
jerf 2y ago
I think this sort of negative definition is not very useful, though. As soon as telepathy is demonstrated, it becomes an existing sense. And that's not just word chopping, it's pretty evident that this is going to bother people and that they will believe it can't be "real" telepathy. In a non-trivial way, this means that "telepathy" is defined as something that does not and can not exist. If it exists, it won't be telepathy, because it'll have to be something real, and as such, it won't be "real" telepathy. If you do give it a concrete definition that permits it to exist, it is often the case that it turns out that we have it in the real world already, unless you define it as some sort of ability to invasively read people's minds or something, in which here's hoping it never exists in this universe.
- mistermann 2y ago
  Well said - more formally: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-world_assumption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-world_assumption A fun question to cut through (or expose) intuitive/cultural heuristics: did atoms exist before they were discovered to exist?
- Waterluvian 2y ago
  Yes, that’s essentially the whole point. “Magic is just science we don’t yet understand” and all that.

Is intuition a sense - or is that potentially some people excelling at reading physical cues that 99.999999% of people can't see or relate to what someone is then likely thinking?

Waterluvian 2y ago
Intuition isn’t a sense. There’s no data being measured. Intuition is a processing and synthesizing of past and sometimes presently sensed data into some meaning. When I understand “sense” in this context I’m understanding “sensor.” A sensor is measuring something. I think the closest I can get to telepathy without it being a completely wild paradigm shift in understanding is if we could implant technology directly into our brains, thus introducing new sensors.
- loceng 2y ago
  There are "famous" people on YouTube who seem very telepathic-psychic - but I suppose people would really only become a believer if they have an anecdotal experience themselves that defies all odds.
  - Waterluvian 2y ago
    If it’s real, it will survive scrutiny and people will believe the evidence.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    There are all kinds of famous people, on Youtube and elsewhere, that believe (or claim to believe) the most absurd things. Why would that matter in the slightest, especially given that their purported abilities all seem to flee to another dimension as soon as they're under scientific evaluation?
- autorizo 2y ago
  Intuition i think much more data driven than you say. I think probably it’s just subconscious calculations
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  - ErigmolCt 2y ago
    I think you're absolutely right. Intuition can be understood as a form of subconscious calculation.
ErigmolCt 2y ago
I think emotions play a significant role in intuition.

jerf 2y ago

I think this sort of negative definition is not very useful, though. As soon as telepathy is demonstrated, it becomes an existing sense. And that's not just word chopping, it's pretty evident that this is going to bother people and that they will believe it can't be "real" telepathy. In a non-trivial way, this means that "telepathy" is defined as something that does not and can not exist. If it exists, it won't be telepathy, because it'll have to be something real, and as such, it won't be "real" telepathy. If you do give it a concrete definition that permits it to exist, it is often the case that it turns out that we have it in the real world already, unless you define it as some sort of ability to invasively read people's minds or something, in which here's hoping it never exists in this universe.

mistermann 2y ago
Well said - more formally: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-world_assumption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-world_assumption A fun question to cut through (or expose) intuitive/cultural heuristics: did atoms exist before they were discovered to exist?
Waterluvian 2y ago
Yes, that’s essentially the whole point. “Magic is just science we don’t yet understand” and all that.