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A plurality of Western media is far-far-left leaning.

dragonwriter 2y ago
No, its not, measured by reach or influence. Probably not by number of outlets, either, not that it would matter. The dominant Western media position is center-right neoliberal corporate capitalist (unsurprisingly, reflect both the ruling class of Western society and, as its the same class, the class that predominantly owns corporations, including media corps.)
- verticalscaler 2y ago
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  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Since you use language like "neoliberal corporate capitalist" and "ruling classes" consider that you are so far on the left yourself that everything seems center-right at best to you. That’s...very much not true. I use terminology more popular with people to the left of my own position because it is the most fit for the purpose. > Is The Guardian not socialist enough to your tastes or something? The Guardian is left of the median of major Western media outlets, not a representation of where the Western media is centered.
swiftcoder 2y ago
[citation needed] A large portion of western media is state-funded public broadcasters (the BBC, CBC, PBS, ...), and another large swathe is under the control of various explicitly right-leaning corporations (Murdoch's News Corp and Fox, Sinclair, ...). While there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets, it is entirely unclear to me that they have equivalent reach to their conservative counterparts.
- verticalscaler 2y ago
  NPR is state-funded and is far-far left. If you consider PBS and BBC to somehow be conservative I guess that's why things are entirely unclear to you. What on earth would you like me to cite? plurality /ploo͝-răl′ĭ-tē/ noun A large number or amount; a multitude. > there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets Ahem..
  - adleyjulian 2y ago
    Ground News uses bias ratings from Ad Fontes Media, All Sides, and Media Bias/Fact Check; they rate NPR as Center, Lean Left, and Lean Left respectively. If you consider NPR to be far-far left then what is Jezebel, The Young Turks, Jacobin, or Democracy Now? That's not even getting into things like Socialist Alternative or pod casts like Chapo Trap House. Between the ones I listed and NPR are sites like Slate and Vox which are to the left of NPR but not as far left as Democracy Now.
  - swiftcoder 2y ago
    The BBC generally tends towards the center-left, but also takes some characteristically right-wing stances - they they have at times been vocally anti-trans), they were on balance pro-brexit, and they tend to lean right on immigration and religion.

No, its not, measured by reach or influence. Probably not by number of outlets, either, not that it would matter. The dominant Western media position is center-right neoliberal corporate capitalist (unsurprisingly, reflect both the ruling class of Western society and, as its the same class, the class that predominantly owns corporations, including media corps.)

verticalscaler 2y ago
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- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Since you use language like "neoliberal corporate capitalist" and "ruling classes" consider that you are so far on the left yourself that everything seems center-right at best to you. That’s...very much not true. I use terminology more popular with people to the left of my own position because it is the most fit for the purpose. > Is The Guardian not socialist enough to your tastes or something? The Guardian is left of the median of major Western media outlets, not a representation of where the Western media is centered.

swiftcoder 2y ago

[citation needed] A large portion of western media is state-funded public broadcasters (the BBC, CBC, PBS, ...), and another large swathe is under the control of various explicitly right-leaning corporations (Murdoch's News Corp and Fox, Sinclair, ...). While there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets, it is entirely unclear to me that they have equivalent reach to their conservative counterparts.

verticalscaler 2y ago
NPR is state-funded and is far-far left. If you consider PBS and BBC to somehow be conservative I guess that's why things are entirely unclear to you. What on earth would you like me to cite? plurality /ploo͝-răl′ĭ-tē/ noun A large number or amount; a multitude. > there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets Ahem..
- adleyjulian 2y ago
  Ground News uses bias ratings from Ad Fontes Media, All Sides, and Media Bias/Fact Check; they rate NPR as Center, Lean Left, and Lean Left respectively. If you consider NPR to be far-far left then what is Jezebel, The Young Turks, Jacobin, or Democracy Now? That's not even getting into things like Socialist Alternative or pod casts like Chapo Trap House. Between the ones I listed and NPR are sites like Slate and Vox which are to the left of NPR but not as far left as Democracy Now.
- swiftcoder 2y ago
  The BBC generally tends towards the center-left, but also takes some characteristically right-wing stances - they they have at times been vocally anti-trans), they were on balance pro-brexit, and they tend to lean right on immigration and religion.