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At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.

At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Security-Crash-Course https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013 https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

pjmlp 2y ago
Here, https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/ https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface Vote with your wallet, if enough people do that, maybe Apple will notice. Now if you already validated what they are selling is enough to keep the masses happy, then it is as it is.
- deleted 2y ago
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- walterbell 2y ago
  Waiting patiently for the first Nuvia/Oryon/SDXE tablet or 2-in-1, with detachable non-bluetooth keyboard The Snapdragon Elite devices launched so far have been laptops.
- sneak 2y ago
  The number of people who are willing and able to “vote with their wallet” for alternative OSes on iPad is insufficient for results. The vast, vast majority of iPad users want iPadOS and nothing else. Hope is not a strategy.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Yet another proof that those that want something else, should sponsor someone else for their efforts. Not give money to Apple, and then complain.
    - BoredPositron 2y ago
      But which software stack? Android? Windows? Both are barely usable and for the most common tasks iPadOS is sadly miles ahead.
      - viraptor 2y ago
        Android is just fine. Unless you're an artist who actually wants the super fancy pen interactions and display, there's really not that much difference. You may be more used to one over the other, but I guarantee it works the other way too.
        sneak 2y ago
        I know many non-artists who want high refresh rate displays and low latency stylus input. It’s not “super fancy”. Let’s not move the goalposts; the iPad hardware is years beyond any other tablet. Android is not “just fine”. The hardware available is relatively low quality compared to the iPad.
        viraptor 2y ago
        New iPad is super fancy. It's above everything else in many ways. But that doesn't move everything else down. Android tablets (unless you get one from a discount bin) are perfectly functional devices and they really are just fine. You can do almost all the same tasks on them. You don't have to chase the new, shiny and expensive. In the same way, Camry and Civic are just fine cars - they are simple and get the job done.
- MikeTheGreat 2y ago
  The second link (to Surface) is trying to sell a Surface computer (i.e., hardware). The first link appears to be... presentation software? I think? It talks a lot about Samsung devices but doesn't appear to be selling a specific device (i.e., not hardware. I don't see how the software would affect sales of the iPad (which is hardware). (Was there a different link you meant to share instead? :) )
  - diffeomorphism 2y ago
    > The first link appears to be... presentation software? I think? Can you try to do at least the bare minimum of trying to understand the text instead of badly extrapolating from the pretty pictures?
nebula8804 2y ago
eWaste? What are you talking about? iPads have typically gotten 7-9 years of software updates. Its not intended to be like a direct laptop replacement. Sure you can do laptop like things but that is not what the iPad is. Even then, most laptops don't even get that kind of support. Calling the iPad "eWaste World Champion" reeks of ignorance about what the device is about. Instead it really is a unique device with unique use cases as evidenced by todays keynote. Did you watch it? I came away impressed with the cool things they developed just for the iPad.
- walterbell 2y ago
  > 7-9 years of software updates After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. > unique use cases as evidenced by todays keynote Mark Gurman, Bloomberg journalist covering Apple for years, https://x.com/markgurman/status/1800348268385521876 https://x.com/markgurman/status/1800348268385521876? Apple needs to put 25% of the vigor into iPadOS that it just put into Apple Intelligence because this is getting ridiculous. The iPad Pro gets incredible new hardware and an M4 chip and then iPadOS essentially gets nothing of substance. iPadOS 18 did get a calculator.
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    >After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9 hit and you are complaining about a device that is not even designed to be used in a server/desktop OS configuration? >iPadOS 18 did get a calculator. This really does explain it all...Just pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      > pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple I'm typing this on iPad Air and looking at an iPad Pro, Mac Mini and Macbook Air.
      - nebula8804 2y ago
deletedie 2y ago
With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  >With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) I'm annoyed by the media coverage which all imply the Right won seats at the expense of the Left when, as you say, it's mostly the Greens (who, yes, are technically Left) who lost seats. What's even more annoying though is I need to take a magnifying glass to even see the additional seats won by the Right. The Left still holds majority and haven't even lost an unusually large number of seats. There obviously are exceptions when looking at the election more microscopically, like in France, but overall it's mainstream misleadia. What's surprising to me is this disinformation campaign by the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want.
  - swiftcoder 2y ago
    > the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want Whatever gave you that impression? A significant percentage of all media outlets are owned by very right-leaning businessmen, or otherwise entangled in capitalism to such extent that it may bias their judgement
    - verticalscaler 2y ago
      A plurality of Western media is far-far-left leaning.
      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        No, its not, measured by reach or influence. Probably not by number of outlets, either, not that it would matter. The dominant Western media position is center-right neoliberal corporate capitalist (unsurprisingly, reflect both the ruling class of Western society and, as its the same class, the class that predominantly owns corporations, including media corps.)
mirzap 2y ago
What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.
- walterbell 2y ago
  There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating support.
  - tgv 2y ago
    And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      iPad+Linux could be a single-function "embedded" device. web browser IoT control panel video conferencing photo frame e-reader kiosk
      - mirzap 2y ago
        You are not serious, aren't you? You have Raspberry Pi for that purpose. It's like saying Mercedes should allow me to install software on my Mercedes so I can use my $200k car to use it as a tractor.
        walterbell 2y ago
        Since when does Raspberry Pi ship with a 4:3 Retina display? Does the Mercedes self-brick after 7 years?
enqk 2y ago
Considering the latest EU elections I wouldn’t bet on them

pjmlp 2y ago

Here, https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/ https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface Vote with your wallet, if enough people do that, maybe Apple will notice. Now if you already validated what they are selling is enough to keep the masses happy, then it is as it is.

deleted 2y ago
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walterbell 2y ago
Waiting patiently for the first Nuvia/Oryon/SDXE tablet or 2-in-1, with detachable non-bluetooth keyboard The Snapdragon Elite devices launched so far have been laptops.
sneak 2y ago
The number of people who are willing and able to “vote with their wallet” for alternative OSes on iPad is insufficient for results. The vast, vast majority of iPad users want iPadOS and nothing else. Hope is not a strategy.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Yet another proof that those that want something else, should sponsor someone else for their efforts. Not give money to Apple, and then complain.
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    But which software stack? Android? Windows? Both are barely usable and for the most common tasks iPadOS is sadly miles ahead.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      Android is just fine. Unless you're an artist who actually wants the super fancy pen interactions and display, there's really not that much difference. You may be more used to one over the other, but I guarantee it works the other way too.
      - sneak 2y ago
        I know many non-artists who want high refresh rate displays and low latency stylus input. It’s not “super fancy”. Let’s not move the goalposts; the iPad hardware is years beyond any other tablet. Android is not “just fine”. The hardware available is relatively low quality compared to the iPad.
        viraptor 2y ago
        New iPad is super fancy. It's above everything else in many ways. But that doesn't move everything else down. Android tablets (unless you get one from a discount bin) are perfectly functional devices and they really are just fine. You can do almost all the same tasks on them. You don't have to chase the new, shiny and expensive. In the same way, Camry and Civic are just fine cars - they are simple and get the job done.
MikeTheGreat 2y ago
The second link (to Surface) is trying to sell a Surface computer (i.e., hardware). The first link appears to be... presentation software? I think? It talks a lot about Samsung devices but doesn't appear to be selling a specific device (i.e., not hardware. I don't see how the software would affect sales of the iPad (which is hardware). (Was there a different link you meant to share instead? :) )
- diffeomorphism 2y ago
  > The first link appears to be... presentation software? I think? Can you try to do at least the bare minimum of trying to understand the text instead of badly extrapolating from the pretty pictures?

nebula8804 2y ago

eWaste? What are you talking about? iPads have typically gotten 7-9 years of software updates. Its not intended to be like a direct laptop replacement. Sure you can do laptop like things but that is not what the iPad is. Even then, most laptops don't even get that kind of support. Calling the iPad "eWaste World Champion" reeks of ignorance about what the device is about. Instead it really is a unique device with unique use cases as evidenced by todays keynote. Did you watch it? I came away impressed with the cool things they developed just for the iPad.

walterbell 2y ago
> 7-9 years of software updates After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. > unique use cases as evidenced by todays keynote Mark Gurman, Bloomberg journalist covering Apple for years, https://x.com/markgurman/status/1800348268385521876 https://x.com/markgurman/status/1800348268385521876? Apple needs to put 25% of the vigor into iPadOS that it just put into Apple Intelligence because this is getting ridiculous. The iPad Pro gets incredible new hardware and an M4 chip and then iPadOS essentially gets nothing of substance. iPadOS 18 did get a calculator.
- nebula8804 2y ago
  >After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9 hit and you are complaining about a device that is not even designed to be used in a server/desktop OS configuration? >iPadOS 18 did get a calculator. This really does explain it all...Just pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    > pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple I'm typing this on iPad Air and looking at an iPad Pro, Mac Mini and Macbook Air.
    - nebula8804 2y ago

deletedie 2y ago

With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

Dalewyn 2y ago
>With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) I'm annoyed by the media coverage which all imply the Right won seats at the expense of the Left when, as you say, it's mostly the Greens (who, yes, are technically Left) who lost seats. What's even more annoying though is I need to take a magnifying glass to even see the additional seats won by the Right. The Left still holds majority and haven't even lost an unusually large number of seats. There obviously are exceptions when looking at the election more microscopically, like in France, but overall it's mainstream misleadia. What's surprising to me is this disinformation campaign by the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want.
- swiftcoder 2y ago
  > the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want Whatever gave you that impression? A significant percentage of all media outlets are owned by very right-leaning businessmen, or otherwise entangled in capitalism to such extent that it may bias their judgement
  - verticalscaler 2y ago
    A plurality of Western media is far-far-left leaning.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      No, its not, measured by reach or influence. Probably not by number of outlets, either, not that it would matter. The dominant Western media position is center-right neoliberal corporate capitalist (unsurprisingly, reflect both the ruling class of Western society and, as its the same class, the class that predominantly owns corporations, including media corps.)

mirzap 2y ago

What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.

walterbell 2y ago
There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating support.
- tgv 2y ago
  And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    iPad+Linux could be a single-function "embedded" device. web browser IoT control panel video conferencing photo frame e-reader kiosk
    - mirzap 2y ago
      You are not serious, aren't you? You have Raspberry Pi for that purpose. It's like saying Mercedes should allow me to install software on my Mercedes so I can use my $200k car to use it as a tractor.
      - walterbell 2y ago
        Since when does Raspberry Pi ship with a 4:3 Retina display? Does the Mercedes self-brick after 7 years?

enqk 2y ago

Considering the latest EU elections I wouldn’t bet on them