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The volume of uncontrolled migration. Societies regulate the influx of strangers to protect their culture — and the rapid influx of people who don’t share cult

The volume of uncontrolled migration. Societies regulate the influx of strangers to protect their culture — and the rapid influx of people who don’t share cultural values has damaged American culture.

fwip 2y ago
The Americas went for over 350 years (from 1500 to 1850) before there existed any kinds of controls on immigration. Americans have only ever been afraid of "uncontrolled immigration" when it was non-white immigrants. It was for racist reasons that we passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, and it's for racist reasons now.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  > Americans have only ever been afraid of "uncontrolled immigration" when it was non-white immigrants. This is racist revisionism. There was plenty of dislike of white migrants as well, eg, Irish, German, Polish, Italian, etc all received ethnic hatred at various periods. > it's for racist reasons now Believing that all nationalism is racism is ideological nonsense meant to poison the well, rather than address serious challenges to your ideology and the impact it has on cultures and human flourishing.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > There was plenty of dislike of white migrants as well, eg, Irish, German, Polish, Italian, etc all received ethnic hatred at various periods. White skinned, but critically, not WASP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants
  - fwip 2y ago
    > Believing that all nationalism is racism Sure, that would be a ridiculous thing to say, which is why I didn't. If I meant "every person who is opposed to immigration is fuelled by racial hatred," I would have said that. I thought that a good-faith reading was one of the rules of HN? If you look at the times when anti-immigrant sentiment is highest, whether via popular opinion or governmental action, it directly corresponds to when Americans were the most racist about the arriving immigrants.
- derivagral 2y ago
  > when it was non-white immigrants Irish and Italians in my area would beg to differ. I'll grant it wasn't federal policy, at least.
  - krapp 2y ago
    Irish and Italians weren't always considered white.
    - tacocataco 2y ago
      Hate.... finds a way.
Dylan16807 2y ago
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... Going by this chart (the first thing in google), the percent of immigrants between 1850 and 1930 was about the same as 2000-on, with a dip in the middle.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  That period led to increasing ethnic tensions and a demand to restrict immigration to protect cultural continuity, as well. Eg, this. [0] Why are people surprised by a similar outcome this time? [0] - https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-act https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-a...
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    Were tensions rising for 80 years straight? Or more, since the chart doesn't go before 1850? If not, what was different between 1850 and 1900?

fwip 2y ago

The Americas went for over 350 years (from 1500 to 1850) before there existed any kinds of controls on immigration. Americans have only ever been afraid of "uncontrolled immigration" when it was non-white immigrants. It was for racist reasons that we passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, and it's for racist reasons now.

zmgsabst 2y ago
> Americans have only ever been afraid of "uncontrolled immigration" when it was non-white immigrants. This is racist revisionism. There was plenty of dislike of white migrants as well, eg, Irish, German, Polish, Italian, etc all received ethnic hatred at various periods. > it's for racist reasons now Believing that all nationalism is racism is ideological nonsense meant to poison the well, rather than address serious challenges to your ideology and the impact it has on cultures and human flourishing.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > There was plenty of dislike of white migrants as well, eg, Irish, German, Polish, Italian, etc all received ethnic hatred at various periods. White skinned, but critically, not WASP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants
- fwip 2y ago
  > Believing that all nationalism is racism Sure, that would be a ridiculous thing to say, which is why I didn't. If I meant "every person who is opposed to immigration is fuelled by racial hatred," I would have said that. I thought that a good-faith reading was one of the rules of HN? If you look at the times when anti-immigrant sentiment is highest, whether via popular opinion or governmental action, it directly corresponds to when Americans were the most racist about the arriving immigrants.
derivagral 2y ago
> when it was non-white immigrants Irish and Italians in my area would beg to differ. I'll grant it wasn't federal policy, at least.
- krapp 2y ago
  Irish and Italians weren't always considered white.
  - tacocataco 2y ago
    Hate.... finds a way.

Dylan16807 2y ago

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... Going by this chart (the first thing in google), the percent of immigrants between 1850 and 1930 was about the same as 2000-on, with a dip in the middle.

zmgsabst 2y ago
That period led to increasing ethnic tensions and a demand to restrict immigration to protect cultural continuity, as well. Eg, this. [0] Why are people surprised by a similar outcome this time? [0] - https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-act https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-a...
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  Were tensions rising for 80 years straight? Or more, since the chart doesn't go before 1850? If not, what was different between 1850 and 1900?