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Taiwan is too unstable - let's build in Israel!
by msikora 2y ago
Taiwan is too unstable - let's build in Israel!
- pylua 2y agoWouldn’t the us government step in if intel was bombed in Israel ?
- clipsy 2y agoWould it matter? There's no response that will magically rebuild a fab overnight. Better to build it somewhere it's unlikely to be bombed in the first place.
- nebula8804 2y agoYeah...so lets put our crown fab in a desert that is slowly being reclaimed by the planet.
- richrichie 2y ago>reclaimed by the planet you mean the desert was taken away from the planet and the planet is claiming it back? where will it go?
- nebula8804 2y agoWe are all dirt that emerged from the planet. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the planet takes back what belongs to it. [1]:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verde-scottsdale.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verd...
- richrichie 2y agoAre you saying there are things that planet has that do not belong to it?
- nebula8804 2y agoNo I am saying we are all dirt that emerged from the planet. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the planet takes back what belongs to it.
- richrichie 2y agoBut, we ARE the planet. It is arrogant to visualize ourselves and what we create as something external to the planet.
- nebula8804 2y agoYou are agreeing with me. As dirt that emerged from the planet, we are a subset of the entire planet and thus are subject to its whims.
- richrichie 2y agoWe agree, indeed
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- sudosysgen 2y agoThe entire fertile crescent is a desert that is being reclaimed by the planet. I don't see how Israel is in any better of a position, there: despite old narratives to the contrary, desertification is not any less of a problem in Israel than in other deserts, and as global warming continues there is growing evidence that in fact anti-desertification efforts in Israel are backfiring. Given the political situation, it's more likely that desertification can be obviated for the purposes of a fab in an American desert than in really any other in the world.
- nebula8804 2y agoWas talking about Arizona seeing as how their top fab is being built there and things like this are happening: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verde-scottsdale.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verd... But yes Dubai possibly, Israel, and the like are also goners long term.
- pubg 2y agoYou are right, and also Israel as a region is still highly unstable. Do you want to travel there today? I'll pass, thanks :)
- AdamJacobMuller 2y ago100% would go back today. Drove through Be'er Sheva in 2019 while Hamas was sending rockets (earlier the same day I was there, not at exactly the same time) and would go back again without hesitation.
- richrichie 2y agoYou should go back often. The tourism industry is effectively dead [1]. If your visit - even at the risk of losing a limb or death - can feed a single Israeli for a day, you must visit. 1. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240208-gaza-war-paralyses-israeli-tourism-s-post-pandemic-rebound https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240208-gaza-war-para...
- TechDebtDevin 2y agoThis article makes me happy :)
- fortran77 2y agoI'm flying to Israel after shavuot, this Thursday. I'll feel much safer in Israel than I do in the United States.
- TechDebtDevin 2y agoCool, that's your opinion (weirldly). Haven't seen many rockets landing in the USA or any missile defense systems needing deployed. Get a grip.
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- hot_gril 2y agoThe US govt has already stepped in
- akira2501 2y agoIn a way different than they are now? Or do you mean literally put troops on the ground there to protect an offshore branch of a US multinational corporation?
- pseudo0 2y agoConsider the indirect risks as well: - A significant fraction of your workforce are reservists who might disappear for months with little notice. - Potential trade disruption due to Israel's highly controversial actions in Gaza (eg. Turkey halting all trade with Israel). - Shipping disruption and increased cost due to Houthi attacks. - Potential sanctions or BDS campaigns, like South Africa. - Difficult to convince international employees to relocate to a conflict zone.
- ngneer 2y agoIntel Israel has never missed a wafer, despite all of the above
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- demondemidi 2y agoDuring the attack on Haifa in the 2000s an intel site was hit.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y agoAlso, Kiryat Gat is only about 12 miles from Gaza and the city has been hit by Hamas rockets before.
- nsguy 2y agoIsrael is tiny. Tel Aviv which is "much" farther has also been hit by rockets from Gaza. The longest range rockets I believe are 155 miles (Ayyash 250) which can reach any point in Israel (and fly over Israel into Lebanon). From Gaza to the northernmost tip of Israel is 135 miles. Israel is long and narrow, this is the "long" part.
- nebula8804 2y agoYour telling me the US destroyed its international reputation and credibility over a landmass the size of NJ? We really are living in the dumbest timeline.
- djao 2y agoTaiwan is also not a large landmass. Neither is Crimea, or Kuwait. It doesn't take large land area for a location to be strategically important.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoNor does the moral value of protecting a region hinge on its size. You'd think someone with an opinion on either side of the Israel/Palestine conflict would understand that.
- nebula8804 2y agoExactly. It's almost like our foreign policy has less to do with moral principles and more with picking and choosing where our 'values' apply based on convenience. Funny how that works out.
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- wslh 2y agoIntel has a long story in Israel and Israel was always in conflicts [1]. It is more prepared than Taiwan though. [1] https://timeline.intel.com/1974/the-beginning-of-intel-israel https://timeline.intel.com/1974/the-beginning-of-intel-israe...
- invalidname 2y agoI know it was meant as a joke but FYI: Israel is pretty stable and has better life expectancy than the US. Thanks to its technology Israel can be at war and be mostly unscathed. Intel has been building in Israel since the 70s and has huge infrastructure here. A lot of its most innovative work originates from Israel. This isn't unique, pretty much every global company has major R&D in Israel.