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I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one

by m_a_g 2y ago

I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.

tootie 2y ago
We used 1pwd at my company and I have a paid family account. I love it. Think it's worth every penny.
nstart 2y ago
Likewise. I think they are making some weird and off putting choices around the enterprise but for consumer stuff (which is squarely where the apple passwords comparison sits I assume) it’s still a great piece of software honestly.
chx 2y ago
You'd try Bitwarden...
- tristan957 2y ago
  I was a BW customer and switched to 1P. 1P is so much better. The clients are better and the syncing of sessions between the browser, desktop, and CLI is amazing. 1P has great integration with Linux and SSH too.
  - davidee 2y ago
    Long, long, long-time 1P user (2007?) increasingly fed up with their anti-consumer practices (dishonestly hiding discussions on their community forum about App Store versions and dismissive “responses” were the final straw). So I put vaultwarden on the cluster at home, built a backup routine I was comfortable with and started using BitWarden to evaluate it before trying to help the whole family switch (we have 8 users, including a grandmother and grandfather from different sides of the family). All this to say, I have to agree. I could not, and will not, switch my family to BitWarden (for the foreseeable future). Search is AWFUL, there’s no way to sort my passwords (recently added, recently updated, etc.) and the clients are way way way slower than 1P (sure, probably in part to server on an underpowered compute instance). However, even the “offline behaviour” (when BitWarden clients can’t contact the server) is slow, and sometimes syncing just doesn’t work. I completely agree, the worst part is just how limited and clumsy the front-end is for secret storing. It’s limited, ugly, and often hard to parse visually. I can’t imagine trying to help my aging father use it on his desktop, much less his smartphone - where he’s had great success with 1P. While I continue to have great disdain for AgileBits, 1P is still the most user friendly password manager for a group that includes definitely-not-technically-inclined people. I wish it wasn’t, I wish I could stop giving them money, but compared to the competition, there’s just nothing else that comes close.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  I love the idea, pricing and open source nature of Bitwarden, but it's only good if you haven't used 1Password. Personally I was very critical about 1Passwords migration to Electron, but it has been really good to be honest. My assumption was that they had dropped the Electron plans, because I absolutely did not notice the change. Bitwarden still fails to correctly identify basic username/password fields, but 1Password gets it right every single time.
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sooheon 2y ago
It just doesn't work for me for safari mac. Authenticating with fingerprint takes many seconds (and often doesn't work).
brainzap 2y ago
the 1password search is horrible, it does fuzzy search and not match exat results etc there is more, too lazy to write
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dylan604 2y ago
you really enjoy paying each month for access to your passwords? really?
- e40 2y ago
  I used it with my family and it's worth paying monthly for it. Passwords are so incredibly important. If I was hit by a car tomorrow, I know a huge chunk of my life is there for people to just pick up.
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    > If I was hit by a car tomorrow, I know a huge chunk of my life is there for people to just pick up. My wife and I have talked a bit about this recently but haven't implemented anything yet. (I use 1Password, and she doesn't have access other than a shared vault, and vice-versa with iCloud passwords.) One thing that gives me a bit of hesitation is from a security standpoint - if we have access to each other's accounts and one of us falls victim to, for instance, a password-manager-level phishing scheme, the fallout from both of us having to recover from that at the same time is dramatically more of an inconvenience than if only one of us is affected. Happy to hear from anyone else who's thought about this and any approaches they may have been taken - there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it online.
    - e40 2y ago
      The information in 1PW is the most important information I have. I have a Yubikey because of that.
    - briHass 2y ago
      If you're worried about banking passwords and accounts, those shouldn't be shared logins. Banks in the US have specific procedures for handling the death of account holders, and someone logging in as the deceased is problematic. Beneficiary designation and percentages needs to be followed, and if a spouse/other logs in and starts moving money around, all that has to be unwound. My break glass implementation is a printed sheet of all my financial orgs and account numbers (including bills I handle). All the beneficiary designations are done, so my wife would just need to give them the death certificate and she'd have control of the funds.
rickharrison 2y ago
1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.
- gregoriol 2y ago
  I still use 1Password 7
  - AlexandrB 2y ago
    Yup. Wish I could go back to 6 because 7 feels noticeable slower, but 8 is a non-starter due to the lack of self-hosting or local vault options. I also hate how a bunch of "babysitting" features are forced on you in later (after 5 or so) 1Password releases. I don't want Watchtower to be pegged to the top of the sidebar - but there it is anyways. I don't want to set a password hint for the master password, but I'm forced to regardless.
    - gregoriol 2y ago
      Yeah, Watchtower is horrible, also search is sometimes really bad when you have a lot of different logins for the same domain
- e40 2y ago
  I completely disagree. Yeah, the launch of 1PW8 was rocky. They didn't have feature parity on some devices (iOS). I waited a good while to update and when I did I had an issue with my Yubikey, so I went back to 1PW7 on iOS, but it was fantastic on macOS--way better than 7. After a short while, they fixed the Yubikey login issue with 8 on iOS and I have had exactly zero issues on macOS or iOS since, for about a year(ish). Another data point: my 85 year old mother used to have issues with 7. She'd get confused about things. With 8, it's been clear sailing for her. That's pretty impressive to me.
blawson 2y ago
1Password + Fastmail integration for generating masked email is also great. Plus a nice UI for handling OTP, notes, credit cards, IDs, bank accounts, etc, it's easily worth the annual price for me.
- squeegee_scream 2y ago
  Omg yes! Fastmail + 1P is soooo good. 1P has an integration with privacy.com to create unique debit cards. With these 3 tools I have a unique email, pw, and debit card for each service. Makes me feel in control over my interaction with a service. Here’s my referral link for privacy if you’re interested https://privacy.com/join/JCPFN https://privacy.com/join/JCPFN
  - xnyan 2y ago
    > privacy.com Love the service, the problem is they effectively charge a 1-5% commission to use it because you lose credit card loyalty/rewards programs benefits. Last year I got nearly 3% back, I think that's too high for the service. I don't think there's any way around it unfortunately, credit cards rewards are paid by the fees and interest of those who carry a balance.
    - squeegee_scream 2y ago
      Good point, but we still use privacy.com for random stuff online. The majority of our online purchases happen at a handful of stores, and we use our credit card there. But especially for sketchy sites, we use privacy. For example I bought a keyboard from a small company in Russia (right before they invaded) and they’re probably completely legit but I’d rather lose the 1% on that purchase than be concerned they have my real card
sunshowers 2y ago
Same, I'm actually a bit of a late adopter (only started using 1p in earnest once they came out with a Linux client) but it's been so great. I absolutely love the SSH agent in particular, it just works. On topic, as a primarily Linux user I'm not in the target market for this (or any other Apple products or services really) and that's fine.

by m_a_g 2y ago

tootie 2y ago

We used 1pwd at my company and I have a paid family account. I love it. Think it's worth every penny.

nstart 2y ago

Likewise. I think they are making some weird and off putting choices around the enterprise but for consumer stuff (which is squarely where the apple passwords comparison sits I assume) it’s still a great piece of software honestly.

chx 2y ago

You'd try Bitwarden...

tristan957 2y ago
I was a BW customer and switched to 1P. 1P is so much better. The clients are better and the syncing of sessions between the browser, desktop, and CLI is amazing. 1P has great integration with Linux and SSH too.
- davidee 2y ago
  Long, long, long-time 1P user (2007?) increasingly fed up with their anti-consumer practices (dishonestly hiding discussions on their community forum about App Store versions and dismissive “responses” were the final straw). So I put vaultwarden on the cluster at home, built a backup routine I was comfortable with and started using BitWarden to evaluate it before trying to help the whole family switch (we have 8 users, including a grandmother and grandfather from different sides of the family). All this to say, I have to agree. I could not, and will not, switch my family to BitWarden (for the foreseeable future). Search is AWFUL, there’s no way to sort my passwords (recently added, recently updated, etc.) and the clients are way way way slower than 1P (sure, probably in part to server on an underpowered compute instance). However, even the “offline behaviour” (when BitWarden clients can’t contact the server) is slow, and sometimes syncing just doesn’t work. I completely agree, the worst part is just how limited and clumsy the front-end is for secret storing. It’s limited, ugly, and often hard to parse visually. I can’t imagine trying to help my aging father use it on his desktop, much less his smartphone - where he’s had great success with 1P. While I continue to have great disdain for AgileBits, 1P is still the most user friendly password manager for a group that includes definitely-not-technically-inclined people. I wish it wasn’t, I wish I could stop giving them money, but compared to the competition, there’s just nothing else that comes close.
mrweasel 2y ago
I love the idea, pricing and open source nature of Bitwarden, but it's only good if you haven't used 1Password. Personally I was very critical about 1Passwords migration to Electron, but it has been really good to be honest. My assumption was that they had dropped the Electron plans, because I absolutely did not notice the change. Bitwarden still fails to correctly identify basic username/password fields, but 1Password gets it right every single time.
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sooheon 2y ago

It just doesn't work for me for safari mac. Authenticating with fingerprint takes many seconds (and often doesn't work).

brainzap 2y ago

the 1password search is horrible, it does fuzzy search and not match exat results etc there is more, too lazy to write

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dylan604 2y ago

you really enjoy paying each month for access to your passwords? really?

e40 2y ago
I used it with my family and it's worth paying monthly for it. Passwords are so incredibly important. If I was hit by a car tomorrow, I know a huge chunk of my life is there for people to just pick up.
- Marsymars 2y ago
  > If I was hit by a car tomorrow, I know a huge chunk of my life is there for people to just pick up. My wife and I have talked a bit about this recently but haven't implemented anything yet. (I use 1Password, and she doesn't have access other than a shared vault, and vice-versa with iCloud passwords.) One thing that gives me a bit of hesitation is from a security standpoint - if we have access to each other's accounts and one of us falls victim to, for instance, a password-manager-level phishing scheme, the fallout from both of us having to recover from that at the same time is dramatically more of an inconvenience than if only one of us is affected. Happy to hear from anyone else who's thought about this and any approaches they may have been taken - there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it online.
  - e40 2y ago
    The information in 1PW is the most important information I have. I have a Yubikey because of that.
  - briHass 2y ago
    If you're worried about banking passwords and accounts, those shouldn't be shared logins. Banks in the US have specific procedures for handling the death of account holders, and someone logging in as the deceased is problematic. Beneficiary designation and percentages needs to be followed, and if a spouse/other logs in and starts moving money around, all that has to be unwound. My break glass implementation is a printed sheet of all my financial orgs and account numbers (including bills I handle). All the beneficiary designations are done, so my wife would just need to give them the death certificate and she'd have control of the funds.

rickharrison 2y ago

1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

gregoriol 2y ago
I still use 1Password 7
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  Yup. Wish I could go back to 6 because 7 feels noticeable slower, but 8 is a non-starter due to the lack of self-hosting or local vault options. I also hate how a bunch of "babysitting" features are forced on you in later (after 5 or so) 1Password releases. I don't want Watchtower to be pegged to the top of the sidebar - but there it is anyways. I don't want to set a password hint for the master password, but I'm forced to regardless.
  - gregoriol 2y ago
    Yeah, Watchtower is horrible, also search is sometimes really bad when you have a lot of different logins for the same domain
e40 2y ago
I completely disagree. Yeah, the launch of 1PW8 was rocky. They didn't have feature parity on some devices (iOS). I waited a good while to update and when I did I had an issue with my Yubikey, so I went back to 1PW7 on iOS, but it was fantastic on macOS--way better than 7. After a short while, they fixed the Yubikey login issue with 8 on iOS and I have had exactly zero issues on macOS or iOS since, for about a year(ish). Another data point: my 85 year old mother used to have issues with 7. She'd get confused about things. With 8, it's been clear sailing for her. That's pretty impressive to me.

blawson 2y ago

1Password + Fastmail integration for generating masked email is also great. Plus a nice UI for handling OTP, notes, credit cards, IDs, bank accounts, etc, it's easily worth the annual price for me.

squeegee_scream 2y ago
Omg yes! Fastmail + 1P is soooo good. 1P has an integration with privacy.com to create unique debit cards. With these 3 tools I have a unique email, pw, and debit card for each service. Makes me feel in control over my interaction with a service. Here’s my referral link for privacy if you’re interested https://privacy.com/join/JCPFN https://privacy.com/join/JCPFN
- xnyan 2y ago
  > privacy.com Love the service, the problem is they effectively charge a 1-5% commission to use it because you lose credit card loyalty/rewards programs benefits. Last year I got nearly 3% back, I think that's too high for the service. I don't think there's any way around it unfortunately, credit cards rewards are paid by the fees and interest of those who carry a balance.
  - squeegee_scream 2y ago
    Good point, but we still use privacy.com for random stuff online. The majority of our online purchases happen at a handful of stores, and we use our credit card there. But especially for sketchy sites, we use privacy. For example I bought a keyboard from a small company in Russia (right before they invaded) and they’re probably completely legit but I’d rather lose the 1% on that purchase than be concerned they have my real card

sunshowers 2y ago

Same, I'm actually a bit of a late adopter (only started using 1p in earnest once they came out with a Linux client) but it's been so great. I absolutely love the SSH agent in particular, it just works. On topic, as a primarily Linux user I'm not in the target market for this (or any other Apple products or services really) and that's fine.